Tuning / performance update

[Arctra]

Yeah, great info there Sharkie, though I already have a TDI so the TDI vs TSI isn't really relevant. I guess it would be to prospective buyers though.

Those "safe" figures you quote from the big tuning houses... are you assuming they're safe because that's what the tuning houses are offering, or do you have access to further information that we don't?

I guess the skeptic in me is just uncomfortable with the "trust me, this is the best" info that's currently available. My background is in auditing so I am naturally skeptical. I'd love to sink my teeth into the justifications for that to see whether I am comfortable with the assumptions and compromises the tuning houses use when making the decisions on where they stop their tuning.

I'm not for a second questioning whether anyones decisions to chip or not chip, or to get a TSI vs a TDI, or anything. I am trying to make the best decision for me. And as I said before, I am very grateful that there are more knowledgeable users on this forum willing to give their opinions and advice.

[clip]

Those "safe" figures you quote from the big tuning houses... are you assuming they're safe because that's what the tuning houses are offering, or do you have access to further information that we don't?

I'm guessing that Oettinger and APR - the "big tuning houses" - do know exactly what they are doing and probably more so than what VW actually know or are willing to share at least.

But does anyone, even for one moment, seriously think that Oettinger or APR would supply a modification that would result in potential disaster to engines or drivetrains? That is their business. If they started doing that it would take - at a guess - no more than a few weeks before the "word" got out. They would very soon be out of business. I know people that have been running these mods for as long as they have been available for VW's. I personally do not know and have never heard of any problems caused by these remaps (not saying there hasn't been, but not in my experience).

[sama13]

I'm here with Clip, I have been tuning cars with Revo since 2003 and no problems at all, remember Oettinger and APR both work together with VW and now in the US you can get a APR version GTi from VW USA, if the 4 motion is the question, check HPA with the turbo R32's there are plenty of US tuners and some germans doing over 500hp on those cars and they never mention a problem on the transmission on the forums. I know from personal experience that if you tune to the extreme any car with auto transmission the torque converter suffers more and you might need to change it faster (ex. CLK55 with Kleemann supercharger after 4 years of use, torque converter came out purple of extreme use, changed it and perfect again!)

[Sharkie]

... remember Oettinger and APR both work together with VW and now in the US you can get a APR version GTi from VW USA ...

You have to take note that APR and Oettinger have had really close relationships with VAG (VW Audi Group) for years, and I'm not talking about Australia either. In Germany Oettinger and VAG have worked together for a long time and they even have access to technical info and bulletins (and design info) that nobody else outside has. Same for APR and VW USA.

As Sama says, often limited edition specials through VW are built by these 2 tuners. VW Singapore's limited edition Golf GTI for instance 3 months ago for instance is all APR .......

So if a modification through these guys are available I'm pretty certain that everything possible have been taken into consideration. The last thing they want is a "bad" product that will not only cost them customers and loss of market reputation but also damage their relationship with VAG.

You can buy from these guys with confidence, they have an entire R&D organisation AND inside links to VAG going for them, .... doing something through a lone tuner in his workshop ...... not too confident about that regardless of his skills.

[DieselTig]

You have to take note that APR and Oettinger have had really close relationships with VAG (VW Audi Group) for years, and I'm not talking about Australia either. In Germany Oettinger and VAG have worked together for a long time and they even have access to technical info and bulletins (and design info) that nobody else outside has. Same for APR and VW USA.

As Sama says, often limited edition specials through VW are built by these 2 tuners. VW Singapore's limited edition Golf GTI for instance 3 months ago for instance is all APR .......

So if a modification through these guys are available I'm pretty certain that everything possible have been taken into consideration. The last thing they want is a "bad" product that will not only cost them customers and loss of market reputation but also damage their relationship with VAG.

You can buy from these guys with confidence, they have an entire R&D organisation AND inside links to VAG going for them, .... doing something through a lone tuner in his workshop ...... not too confident about that regardless of his skills.

Good conclusion Sharkie and Sama. Oettinger have been 60+ years in existence and this may say something about them. I think this subject is done to "death".

[Pullstarter]

Good conclusion Sharkie and Sama. Oettinger have been 60+ years in existence and this may say something about them. I think this subject is done to "death".

I agree, time to draw a line under it. If people can't make a decision from all the info in this thread they never will.

[clip]

But what about ca intakes and exhaust Simon? and then there's fuel pump and turbo upgrades to go. Should be good for close 400hp

[DieselTig]

But what about ca intakes and exhaust Simon? and then there's fuel pump and turbo upgrades to go. Should be good for close 400hp

For 400HP the cheapest way is to buy aussie HSV with the vintage 6L V8 and that wil also give you a good 800+ Newtons.

[Pullstarter]

For 400HP the cheapest way is to buy aussie HSV with the vintage 6L V8 and that wil also give you a good 800+ Newtons.

EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! Wash your mouth out!! It has push rods!!! LOL

[DieselTig]

EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! Wash your mouth out!! It has push rods!!! LOL

That's exactly what I mean by by "Vintage", 60 year old american technology.LOL

Checked WIki on the Aisin tiptronic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC and found it interesting reading.