Tiguan vs GTI?

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24-09-2012, 06:34 AM
team_v

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Originally Posted by 250

Tbh, I've never really got the comparison between standard and modified cars. Weve just bought a tiguan 2.0T and owned a GTI for about 3 years, the GTI is far quicker as standard, better handling, better braking and quicker accelerating, sory guys that near 300kg weight difference and higher rolling suspension really does effect the performance and fuel economy.

Don't get me the wrong the tig is ace, love it but it really isn't a GTI even with the same engine. I think a stage one tiguan would make up for that weight disadvantage, but you'd need to upgrade the suspesion to stop the roll into the corners.

My mate has a stage 1 GTI, and it really embarrasses the Tig... After all that weight disadvantage is like having a full car of people vs just a driver.

Definitely interested in a stage one for the tig and gti, makes the 2.0T come alive.

You would be surprised at just how well the Tiguan will handle when you push it.
Sure coilovers would help but i have not felt the need to upgrade mine yet.

I think the modified tig vs gti point is that you can get a Stage 1 + small mods tig for 40k which is less than a gti.
24-09-2012, 06:54 AM
Sharkie

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Originally Posted by 250

Tbh, I've never really got the comparison between standard and modified cars. Weve just bought a tiguan 2.0T and owned a GTI for about 3 years, the GTI is far quicker as standard, better handling, better braking and quicker accelerating, sory guys that near 300kg weight difference and higher rolling suspension really does effect the performance and fuel economy.

Don't get me the wrong the tig is ace, love it but it really isn't a GTI even with the same engine. I think a stage one tiguan would make up for that weight disadvantage, but you'd need to upgrade the suspesion to stop the roll into the corners.

My mate has a stage 1 GTI, and it really embarrasses the Tig... After all that weight disadvantage is like having a full car of people vs just a driver.

Definitely interested in a stage one for the tig and gti, makes the 2.0T come alive.

If you read my post again you'll notice the following:

1. You need to upgrade the Tigs suspension to make it handle as good as a stock GTI.

2. Stock Tigs are at least 0.5s slower to 100km/h than a stock GTI and due to their weight more than that 80-120km/h. AWD traction keeps it closer of the line but the extra weight kills it in overtaking and day to day driving.

3. Add some extra power to both Tig and GTI and where the GTI struggles to put the power down, the Tig just grips and goes. Stg1 Tig quicker than a Stg 1 GTI to 100km/h ..... Believe me I've "tested" this many many times ......

4. The extra weight comes into play though in overtaking and on the quarter mile where a STg 1 GTI is a fair bit quicker.

5. So unless you "race " a GTI off the line, the Stg 1 Tig will be slightly slower everywhere you cannot use the AWD advantage.

But watch out for those sleeper Tigs at the lights, normally ends in tears (repeatedly) for GTIs and even stock Rs .... :)
24-09-2012, 01:22 PM
pologti18t

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Originally Posted by team_v

I think the modified tig vs gti point is that you can get a Stage 1 + small mods tig for 40k which is less than a gti.

You can pick up a new GTI onroad for 40K (as advertised by VW). Can you get a 155TSI on road for that?
24-09-2012, 01:31 PM
jessv3

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Originally Posted by Sharkie

2. Stock Tigs are at least 0.5s slower to 100km/h than a stock GTI and due to their weight more than that 80-120km/h. AWD traction keeps it closer of the line but the extra weight kills it in overtaking and day to day driving.

Perhaps for the top of the line 155tsi (or the previous 147) but the 125 (which is now the 132tsi) 0-100 is 9.5 which is very slow, I doubt even once it was chipped it would come near the golf's stock time of 6.9. Not that it really matters though, as someone else has already mentioned comparing a stock vs a chipped car is backwards. The golf is faster from the factory so will have the advantage once its been tuned, the same applies to the suspension, if you spend thousands on the golfs suspension it will have the upper hand over the tig.
24-09-2012, 01:44 PM
team_v

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Originally Posted by pologti18t

You can pick up a new GTI onroad for 40K (as advertised by VW). Can you get a 155TSI on road for that?

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Originally Posted by jessv3

Perhaps for the top of the line 155tsi (or the previous 147) but the 125 (which is now the 132tsi) 0-100 is 9.5 which is very slow, I doubt even once it was chipped it would come near the golf's stock time of 6.9. Not that it really matters though, as someone else has already mentioned comparing a stock vs a chipped car is backwards. The golf is faster from the factory so will have the advantage once its been tuned, the same applies to the suspension, if you spend thousands on the golfs suspension it will have the upper hand over the tig.

Bang for your buck is what we are talking about.
I can pick up a 132, and whack stage 2 on it with suspension mods and it will out perform a stock Mk6 GTI for the same price (40k as advertised today)
24-09-2012, 02:30 PM
tigger73

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Originally Posted by jessv3

Perhaps for the top of the line 155tsi (or the previous 147) but the 125 (which is now the 132tsi) 0-100 is 9.5 which is very slow, I doubt even once it was chipped it would come near the golf's stock time of 6.9. Not that it really matters though, as someone else has already mentioned comparing a stock vs a chipped car is backwards. The golf is faster from the factory so will have the advantage once its been tuned, the same applies to the suspension, if you spend thousands on the golfs suspension it will have the upper hand over the tig.

Careful what you're quoting - the 132TSI Pacific with the "old" 6 speed auto box does 9.6s 0-100km/h, however same car in manual does 8.3s. The 155TSI will do it in 7.3s which is close to stock GTI time of 6.9s.

If you chip the 132TSI in either manual or DSG guise you'll definitely be in the 6's plus with AWD will get off the line better too.

If you spend the difference in price between base 132TSI and stock GTI in modding up the 132 it'll run rings around the GTI. As team_v says you'll get a stage 2 Tig plus suspension/wheel/tyre mods for that price.
24-09-2012, 06:35 PM
jessv3

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Originally Posted by tigger73

Careful what you're quoting - the 132TSI Pacific with the "old" 6 speed auto box does 9.6s 0-100km/h, however same car in manual does 8.3s. The 155TSI will do it in 7.3s which is close to stock GTI time of 6.9s.

If you chip the 132TSI in either manual or DSG guise you'll definitely be in the 6's plus with AWD will get off the line better too.

If you spend the difference in price between base 132TSI and stock GTI in modding up the 132 it'll run rings around the GTI. As team_v says you'll get a stage 2 Tig plus suspension/wheel/tyre mods for that price.

The op suggested he was looking for an auto, so it only seems fair to quote auto figures and as you accurately pointed out the 132tsi is a conventional auto (non dsg) hence the terrible 0-100 times.

Not sure if I agree with your second paragraph, you just said the 132tsi is a non dsg auto but you're claiming it will do 6's?

Read this:

The Motor Report: Auto News And Reviews

Supposedly the dsg gearbox is coming back to the 132tsi

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...g-74123-2.html
24-09-2012, 07:18 PM
tigger73

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Originally Posted by jessv3

The op suggested he was looking for an auto, so it only seems fair to quote auto figures and as you accurately pointed out the 132tsi is a conventional auto (non dsg) hence the terrible 0-100 times.

Not sure if I agree with your second paragraph, you just said the 132tsi is a non dsg auto but you're claiming it will do 6's?

Read this:

The Motor Report: Auto News And Reviews

Supposedly the dsg gearbox is coming back to the 132tsi

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...g-74123-2.html

The 132TSI Pacific is a "special" edition due to supply issues with the 7 speed DSG gearbox. I have a 2011 125TSI and that came with 7 speed DSG. Performance is on par with the manual.

If you chip any of the 2.0 petrol engines (as they are fundamentally the same) you can get in the order of 188kW.

The 155TSI comes with the 7 speed DSG gearbox so at the moment if you really want DSG this is the only option.

Having said that when the 132TSI was released this time last year it came with 7 speed DSG so they are out there if you look for them.

Agree if you chipped the 6 speed auto you'd probably get in the 7's.
25-09-2012, 12:11 PM
T Go

Yikes, I wasnt aware the Tigs were this mean!
I will definitely approach with caution from now on......
06-10-2012, 08:34 AM
Sharkie

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Originally Posted by jessv3

Perhaps for the top of the line 155tsi (or the previous 147) but the 125 (which is now the 132tsi) 0-100 is 9.5 which is very slow, I doubt even once it was chipped it would come near the golf's stock time of 6.9.

125TSI (and 132TSI) manual chipped to 190kw/400NM will do 0-100km/h in between 5.7 and 5.9s ...... it is a good few tenths quicker than a 190kw GTI manual due to the advantage of AWD .... and a good 1s quicker than a stock GTI .... what is even better is that for about $37K on the road your 132TSI can do this, which is at least a couple of thousand $$$$$ cheaper than a GTI ....

Auto (non DSG) 125TSI/132TSI with a chip will do it in 6.5s ..... also quicker than a stock GTI for less money .....

EDIT:

Why are the GTI drivers so ignorant ..... ;)

A 155TSI with DSG can be had in base spec for $43K on the road .... at this price (the same as a DSG GTI) it is better equipped than a GTI with more space everywhere and it has the same AWD system as the Golf R. Spend $2K on only an ECU tune on the GTI and the Tig and the Tig is on par with a R performance wise (road only, not track), much quicker than the GTI .... I'm not saying it is a better drive, just quicker. GTI's bring their own special feel to the way they drive which has nothing to do with how quick or slow they are .... :)

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