help:tiguan variant can't decide

[mickofoz]

Couldn't agree with more. If I wanted a race car, would have bought an R32. People seem to forget they bought an SUV.

[Sharkie]

This is misleading. The TDI has heaps of low-down grunt, and plenty of oomph. Also, Diesels are not as affected by carrying loads or hills, so we ought to count that as advantageous.

Any Tiguan variant has plenty of performance for daily driving.

No its not misleading, the comparison is between the TSI and TDI Tigs. The 1 (TSI) has performance and the other does not comparitvely.

For daily sedate driving both are perfectly fine, however any other petrol non-turbo mainstream SUV is quicker than the TDI .... have a look at the SUV megatest in Wheels magazine recently for confirmation of this fact.

And neither of the Tigs are affected by hills and loads, the turbos (diesel and petrol) see to that.

Bottom line is, if you want decent performance from your small SUV pick a TSI Tiguan or a XT Forrester.

[Sharkie]

Couldn't agree with more. If I wanted a race car, would have bought an R32. People seem to forget they bought an SUV.

I am buying a Golf R as my "race car". There is nothing wrong with wanting decent performance from your small SUV. Porsche, VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes all have "performance" models in their medium & large SUV ranges.

There is a definate market for small performance SUV's and Subaru has been it for many years with the XT Forrester. VW's only getting into it now, in Europe you can even order a R-Line Tiguan with all kinds of extras.

[Sharkie]

.... For daily sedate driving both are perfectly fine, however any other petrol non-turbo mainstream SUV is quicker than the TDI .... have a look at the SUV megatest in Wheels magazine recently for confirmation of this fact .... .

Wheels September 2008 SUV Test

0-100km/h as a benchmark

VW Tiguan TDI Manual = 10.9s (Auto is even slower according to VW)

Subaru Forrester 2.5 Manual = 9.6s
Mitsubishi Outlander Manual = 9.6s
Nissan Xtrail Auto = 9.0s
Toyota RAV4 2.4 Auto = 10.4s
Subaru Forrester 2.5 Auto = 10.2s

And some diesel competitors ....
Land Rover Freelander TD Auto = 10.4s
Jeep Patriot TDI Manual = 10.6s

August 09 Wheels test of the Premium SUVs
BMW X3 2.0TDI Auto = 9.0s (and it weighs 150kg more than a Tiguan)
Audi Q5 TDI DSG = 10.1s (and it weighs 200kg more than a Tiguan)

[mickofoz]

Well... my next car in 3 - 4 years will be a Touareg. Hopefully by then they will offer the V8 version. I doubt they will ever offer the W12 version here. I have driven the W12 in Germany last year. Now that's performance. Makes the Tigga tuners look silly.

[dogbowl]

Wheels September 2008 SUV Test

0-100km/h as a benchmark

VW Tiguan TDI Manual = 10.9s (Auto is even slower according to VW)

Subaru Forrester 2.5 Manual = 9.6s
Mitsubishi Outlander Manual = 9.6s
Nissan Xtrail Auto = 9.0s
Toyota RAV4 2.4 Auto = 10.4s
Subaru Forrester 2.5 Auto = 10.2s

And some diesel competitors ....
Land Rover Freelander TD Auto = 10.4s
Jeep Patriot TDI Manual = 10.6s

August 09 Wheels test of the Premium SUVs
BMW X3 2.0TDI Auto = 9.0s (and it weighs 150kg more than a Tiguan)
Audi Q5 TDI DSG = 10.1s (and it weighs 200kg more than a Tiguan)

I wonder how the Diesel performs in relation to 60-100 km/h? I am buying th petrol, but was amazed at the grunt in the TDI. Actually, I have yet to drive a petrol so hope it is up to expectation!

[Sharkie]

I wonder how the Diesel performs in relation to 60-100 km/h? I am buying th petrol, but was amazed at the grunt in the TDI. Actually, I have yet to drive a petrol so hope it is up to expectation!

Again, the TDI flatters to deceive ....... what your seat of your pants are telling you and the real story is quite different.....

From the same Wheels Megatest ..... a quick comparison as an example ......

VW Tiguan 2.0 TDI 6spd manual 103kw/320NM@1750rmin/1630kg
0-100km/h - 10.9s
400m - 17.6s
80-120km/h in 3rd - Not possible
80-120km/h in 4th - 7.4s
80-120km/h in 5th - 8.5s
80-120km/h in 6th - 10.1s

Honda CRV Sport 6spd manual 125kw/218NM@4200rmin/1580kg
0-100km/h - 8.8s
400m - 15.8s
80-120km/h in 3rd - 5.5
80-120km/h in 4th - 6.9s
80-120km/h in 5th - 9s
80-120km/h in 6th - 10.3s

So in effect a normally aspirated 2.4l weighing almost the same and 100NM down on torque is pretty much on par in the overtaking stakes with the "grunty" TDI....... Off the line and the TDI is no match at all .....

EDIT:
I still have a 2.4 MK2 RAV4 slightly modified to produce 130kw/240NM (until the R arrives) and know that it is both quicker than the CRV and on par with my 125TSI manual off the line. In in-gear overtaking the Tig has it beat though; as brilliant as the VVTI engine is in the Rav it is no match for the petrol turbo torque across 3300rmin of the TSI ....... (and that was with my wife driving the Tig)

[snooze]

can I confirm if the 125tsi engine is still the same as the golf gti?

are any any difference between 125tsi and 147 tsi?

( I'm assuming they are exactly the same as chip tune to these engine gives the same 190Kw output)

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can I confirm if the 125tsi engine is still the same as the golf gti?

are any any difference between 125tsi and 147 tsi?

( I'm assuming they are exactly the same as chip tune to these engine gives the same 190Kw output)

As far as I know, the 125 /147 tsi (identical engines) will also be run in the new MK6 GTi (out later this year) which is different to the current GTi engine. Changes include fuel pump, heads -and some other stuff from memory - all of which makes it a great proposition for upgrades too.

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Again, the TDI flatters to deceive ....... what your seat of your pants are telling you and the real story is quite different.....

Interesting stuff over those last few posts there Sharkie . Glad someone has cleared it up.

I just hope that Will Hagen(?) is reading this because I'm sick and tired of hearing him carry on about how much more drivable diesels are because of their huge torque.