help:tiguan variant can't decide

[snooze]

thanks guys for all ur input.

Im now comtemplating on getting the 125tsi variant with chip in mind.

from what I gathered here:
- Oettinger re-map gives 178KW 360 NM torque approx $2500 (single program)
(I feel this chip would suit me more because of the peace of mind, not too extreme and not a burden on the drive train or gearbox etc..)

- APR re-map gives 189KW 402NM torque approx $2000 with 2 programs, additional program will be extra.
(correct me if I am wrong)

anyone have performance figure for the above mods:
0-100km in how many second (manual & Auto)?
quarter mile time (manual & Auto)?
what RPM range would I expect the power to kick-in?
Just want to compare against the standard spec.

[Sharkie]

I've been through this exact exercise for my brother yesterday .......

Personally I'd buy the 147TSI (if it came in a manual).

BUT .... the 125TSI Auto specced up will have the same basics as the 147 less the sport seats (which you get if you add leather to the 125 anyway), the 17" wheels which are very nice to look at, the RCD510 radio as standard and a few other cosmetics that add nothing really to the value for $4200 less ......

Chip the 125/147TSI and the autos will do 0-100km/h in 6.5s and the quartermile in 14.7s which is pretty good for a SUV. A chipped manual TSI will do it all at least 0.5s quicker yet again. Chipped TDI manual 0-100km/h in 10.0s, auto 10.5s. No real spectactular gains there I'm afraid.

My brother is leaning towards the 125 Auto while I recommend the 147.

I would not recommend the TDI to anybody who want some performance as its only advantage is economy. I would recommend the TDI to anybody chasing economy and a leisurely drive.

[snooze]

Can I ask how much are everyone paying for their insurance premium?

how much does it cost for servicing interval with the tiguan?

[Sanman]

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I would not recommend the TDI to anybody who want some performance as its only advantage is economy. I would recommend the TDI to anybody chasing economy and a leisurely drive.

I bought the TDI not for the economy (there is a 3 year pay back for the increased cost of the diesel motor) but because it drives like a 6 cyl because of the torque and low rpm. As I drive in peak traffic most of the time, it feels like a six, its only when you wind it out through the gears (obviously not in traffic) that it becomes obvious its limited. Even then, its does a good job, mid range pick up on the freeway is excellent. I'd only see an advantage of Petrol if it was manual (And chipped)

Edit: reading Sharkie's spirited response below reminds me that there are two distinct markets for the petrol and diesel engines.

[Sanman]

Can I ask how much are everyone paying for their insurance premium?

how much does it cost for servicing interval with the tiguan?

Incredibly, RACV(NRMA) insurance was hands down cheapest, low $600s
Better than budgetdirect, iBingle etc

I did the research for servicing the Tiguan, it has minor service every 15,000 and major every 30,000 - about $300 and $500. No timing belt required at 90,000 (or ever). It was cheaper than a Holden Captiva to service. Ford Territory is marginally cheaper.

[snooze]

thanks again guys for ur intuitive inputs.


I remember on my old r32 skyline GTR service was done every 5000km. I'd thought it would be the same for the tiguan as its essentially a turbo car. I would expect 10000km as a maximum due time for a service yet alone 15000km or am I underestimating volkswagen's architectural engine design? It seem more like a cost measure contrary to the regular service and maintenance of a turbo combustion engine.

[Sharkie]

I bought the TDI not for the economy (there is a 3 year pay back for the increased cost of the diesel motor) but because it drives like a 6 cyl because of the torque. As I drive in peak traffic most of the time, it feels like a six, its only when you wind it out through the gears (obviously not in traffic) that it becomes obvious its limited. Even then, its does a good job, mid range pick up on the freeway is excellent. I'd only see an advantage of Petrol if it was manual (And chipped)

From another thread ......

"The TDi makes 320Nm from 1750rmin-2500rmin .... it is very far from a flat torque curve as it climbs very steeply to that point and drops quite steeply from 2500 onwards. It is only flat for 750rmin and far from ideal.

The TSi Tiguans makes 280Nm from 1700rmin - 5000rmin ... which is a flat torque powerband of 3300rmin which is amazing. At 1700rmin and from 2700rmin onwards it makes more torque than the TDi. Have a look at the torque curves ...... At crawling speed over obstacles off-road the TSI will have more torque delivered ......

The TDi's strenghts are its economy and lazy revving character not its torque advantage ...... The TDIs gear ratios are chosen to complement this, but in all acceleration tests, including in-gear overtaking it lags far behind the TSIs. "........

TDI does not have the torque advantage many think, you'd be better off in any possible "performance requiring" situation in a TSI. At idle and moving at peak hour speeds in traffic the TSI actually has more torque available/delivered ....... not to mention then later when you open it up in lighter traffic it has way more for longer as well.

EDIT: in addition the TDI has noticably more lag than the TSI and it is this lag that give the impression of more torque as it arrives in a rush after a few moments of nothing. The TSIs have small turbos (disappointingly so from a performance enhancement perspective) and spool up faster and get on with it quicker.

[Pullstarter]

Minimum servicing intervals are 15000 but VW reccomend a mini service every 7500. I will be changing the oil and filter in mine every 7500k for peace of mind, it's probably not necessary but i'm a fussy sod

Insurance for me is $850 a year as I've done some mods, GIO was fine with the mods as long as they're legal and you tell them about them as you do them. They even increase the value of your car to take into account the cost of the mods. Only drawback is an excess increase of $250 but tbh this really doesn't bother me as it's all on paper and there can be no backing out if/when clain time comes.

[dogbowl]

I would not recommend the TDI to anybody who want some performance as its only advantage is economy.

This is misleading. The TDI has heaps of low-down grunt, and plenty of oomph. Also, Diesels are not as affected by carrying loads or hills, so we ought to count that as advantageous.

Any Tiguan variant has plenty of performance for daily driving.

[DieselTig]

This is misleading. The TDI has heaps of low-down grunt, and plenty of oomph. Also, Diesels are not as affected by carrying loads or hills, so we ought to count that as advantageous.

Any Tiguan variant has plenty of performance for daily driving.

I guess if someone wanted performance, why not go for golf gti or the R32, why bother with so much power on SUV. It is pure physics here, SUV high centre of gravity and therefore not stable enough when cornering. Golf has very low centre of gravity and suitable driving like a race car and therefore worth having the extra power and torque.
SUV's intended purpose is for leisure drives on and off road and enjoying the surroundings without concentrating how fast you need to turn at the next corner.