Reply With Quotewho would know? and even when it does, it will probably be way over-priced anyway!
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I have just received this reply from my dealer about the RNS510 head unit in my new Tigga.
"The radio in your car is digital capable. When the time comes, there will become available a “set top” style box that will be added to somewhere behind the dash that will then allow for receiving of digital stations.
Currently some of the FM stations are broadcasting track information on the FM band and this can be viewed on the radio in your car..."
So there you go. When the times comes....
I wonder how long before time is here.
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who would know? and even when it does, it will probably be way over-priced anyway!
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Define over priced chip?Originally Posted by clip
Something that is sold and supported in a country where the annual sales are less than those of one state of the USA? A country which is using a standard which has not yet been finalised and which no other countries are using yet? A country where DAB+ is only in limited areas further limiting the potential market? A country populated by slow adopters further limiting the potential market?
Looking forward to your reasoned response.
Last edited by Maverick; 12-08-2009 at 09:22 PM. Reason: clip on shoulder
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Maverick you know the names clip, not chip (but if that's a reference to the fact that I have a modified Tig, then I would much prefer the correct terminology which in this case would be "remap" or "reprogram", but certainly not "chip"). But please explain "slow adopters" before I give you a "reasoned response".
Last edited by clip; 12-08-2009 at 09:40 PM.
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That's not bad.. VW do a good job of developing the add-ons after bringing out the head unit. The MDI is a good example.
It may not be cheap but could be better than buying a new head unit (like if you had an after market one).
I'm not that interested in digital radio yet and chances are it will most likely be compressed and not even sound as good.
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Slow adopters refers to the fact that Australia is a slow adopter of new technologies. The digital TV take up is a clear indicator of this and the cutover has been delayed something like 4 times now.Maverick you know the names clip, not chip (but if that's a reference to the fact that I have a modified Tig, then I would much prefer the correct terminology which in this case would be "remap" or "reprogram", but certainly not "chip"). But please explain "slow adopters" before I give you a "reasoned response"
As far as technology goes this country is way way behind and the market for the DAB+ upgrade for the RNS 510 is going to be very limited and might only number in the 10's for retrofitting.
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that's the really funny thing at the moment and indicates just how gullible we can be. For years and years we have been striving to produce better recording formats for listening to music. We had LP's, tapes, CD's, DVD Audio, etc etc. Now we have little choice in our music but a lossy, compressed format that sounds average at best. But we are now happy to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on amps, speakers and players - just to listen to mp3's! It's hilarious
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Clip! As much as I hate to admit it, you are 100% right.that's the really funny thing at the moment and indicates just how gullible we can be. For years and years we have been striving to produce better recording formats for listening to music. We had LP's, tapes, CD's, DVD Audio, etc etc. Now we have little choice in our music but a lossy, compressed format that sounds average at best. But we are now happy to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on amps, speakers and players - just to listen to mp3's! It's hilarious
Can someone explain the difference between DAB and DAB+?
Is the signal heavily compressed?
In terms of quality, is DAB+ compareable to mp3 or CD or better?
As for overpriced... if a map update for the rns510 is over $400 (which is overpriced) then I don't have much hope for a reasonable price on the DAB+ add-on.
Last edited by mickofoz; 12-08-2009 at 10:03 PM.
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Yeah i now try not to listen to compressed music at all. Defeats putting a lot of effort into a good sound setup. But on a good system MP3 will still sound ok (at <256kbps) but just not amazing.
You'd want the radio stations to transmit over 96kbps or higher preferrably.
The MDI and my ipod with apple lossless sounds quite good enough for the car, worth it for the convenience.
Last edited by G-rig; 12-08-2009 at 10:24 PM.
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DAB+ used a more efficient audio code that can transmit the same or better audio quality using a bit rate that is a third of DAB.
DAB = MPEG Audio Layer II (MP2)
DAB+ = High Efficiency AAC v2 (MP4/AAC+)
DAB generally 128 kbps.
DAT+ generally 40 kbps which is equal to or better than 128 kbps.
What is the correlation between the two, I fail to see how a DAB add on that will work with all the third generation headunits correlates to the price a dealer charges for map updates (especially when some dealers do them at no cost).As for overpriced... if a map update for the rns510 is over $400 (which is overpriced) then I don't have much hope for a reasonable price on the DAB+ add-on.
The option in the UK is only 200 pounds. Most additions are a similar price in Australia so I would expect around $500 for the parts.
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