Apr sale now on!!

[MrTig]

Hi guys,

Just picked up my new Tig on Saturday and am loving it.... Considering getting the APR tune done so am interested to understand what those who already have it think. The numbers quoted on the APR website certinaly seem impressive....
Interested to know what peoples experience has been with change in fuel economy post APR as well.

Thanks

Edit: Forgot to add I have a 125TSI manual

[guest12345]

had mine done today lol should of waited a day or more, could of saved another $75

[Tigga1]

Interested to know what peoples experience has been with change in fuel economy post APR as well.

Dear MrTig, while I unnerstand anyone's desire for better fuel economy...I'm a sucker for the MFD l/km readout myself....
And while APR tune will provide better economy if driven appropriately, the real reason for APR-ing your Tig is not one of economy...

Guys, am I right or am I right...;-]

[MrTig]

Hey Tigga1. Maybe I didn't word my post correctly.... What I really meant was did the performance increase come at a big cost to fuel economy. I am interested in APR-ing my Tig for the extra performance but just wanted to understand from others who already have gone down that track if that would result in a big change (increase) in the average economy you got.

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... just wanted to understand from others who already have gone down that track if that would result in a big change (increase) in the average economy you got.

Yes. If it doesn't, then you've wasted your money getting it because it means you aren't using the extra performance, so why get it? Just my thoughts. But it's not horrific, and still better than a V6 Grand Vitara or V6 Mazda Tribute etc (especially if you try and drive these hard), and the Tig goes much much better.

The stock 125 manual or auto 147 goes pretty well and won't dissapoint, but remapped they are a fairly mean bit of gear, but that of course comes at a cost in fuel economy.

[Sharkie]

In normal driving the APR remap will be about 5-10% BETTER on fuel ..... on the highway provided you haven't upgraded to sticky wide tyres it will mean as much as 0.5l/100km improvement over stock.

Obviously once you start using the extra performance fuel consumption goes up .... I suspect not as much as what most think because when you get into it in a stock TSI it actually gets pretty hard on the fuel as well. It is standard in all turbo cars, petrol or diesel. I can easily do 12l/100km (and I have in a TDI Golf) on tank in a TDI and 15l/100km in a stock TSI, it all comes down to how you drive the car.

Hope this helps. And as clips says, fuel economy is not the reason to have it chipped. The performance gain, which is dramatic to say the least, is. No other SUV (except maybe a chipped Forrester XT) can mix it with V8s on a daily basis .... that is actually priceless ....

[jimbomort]

Hi guys,
The numbers quoted on the APR website certinaly seem impressive....
Interested to know what peoples experience has been with change in fuel economy post APR as well.

Fuel Economy - despite doing the APR upgrade I drive our car on average fairly economically. I haven't seen any noticeable improvement or loss, its about the same. Agree with Sharkie even going hard fuel consumptiom compared with Standard going hard is not that much worse.

...and there are other reasons for the APR mod otbeyond pure get up and go. The standard Tig was already reasonably tractable, but the modded Tig is even more tractable and this makes it even better for normal driving (ie below 2500 rpm), providing distinct advantages off road and for towing. The APR modded Tig would eat the deisel for breakfast towing. I make the point not too make it a tdi vs tsi thing, simply making because a lot of people assume the diesel is better for towing. With the upgrade the tsi has more torque than the diesel at every point in the rev range and substantially more at its peak and from 2000rpm onwards.

If you want to read more check out the "Tiguan Tuning starts" thread from page 14/15 on. I asked a lot of questions then about the mods and there are a lot of helpful responses.

Also from a post I did on the performance post, some info below on the torque changes
Looking at the power and Torque graph for APR stage 1:

TORQUE - there looks to be about 340Nm from 2000 rpm (assuming graph slope doesn't change much b/w 2500 and 2000 - graph doesn't go below 2500). This reflects to me the impression that from about 2000 it feels significantly stronger than stock and again unless there is a big fall off b/w 2500 and 1500 rpm, I expect that even down to 1500 rpm, Torque is at least at the old peak of 280Nm. This also reflects the impression that it feels pretty tractable right from 1500rpm. Torque climbs steadily from 2500 up 3300rpm at its peak of 402nm and then stays pretty flat until about 4800 (at peak power) where it starts to drop away more steeply, noting that it stays above pre upgrade peak of 280nm right thru to 6000rpm.

POWER climbs steeply all the way from 2500 to 4800rpm where it is at its peak of 189kW and then stays pretty flat thru to 6000rpm, only losing about 5-7% in that range.

From 6000 to 6500rpm though, power drops of more sharply losing a further 10% in 500revs down to 160kW and Torque drops off a further 20% to below 240Nm. So the drop off in both power and torque is significant from 6000rpm onwards. You hit the rev limiter around 7000rpm. Somewhere b/w 6 and 7 (about 6500) is a senseible shift up point for max get up and go.

hope this helps. In summary the APR upgrade makes a big diff right across the rev range and you'll notice the benefit right from 1500rpm, from 2000rpm its unstoppable and from 2500 there is some serious get up and go. One or two others have tried the oetinger upgrade and said it was significant too, but much peakier. They much preferred the APR upgrade.

[MrTig]

Thanks Sharkie and Jimbomot for for your insights. Very tempted to get mine APR'd now.

[Jas]

Fuel Economy - despite doing the APR upgrade I drive our car on average fairly economically. I haven't seen any noticeable improvement or loss, its about the same. Agree with Sharkie even going hard fuel consumptiom compared with Standard going hard is not that much worse.

...and there are other reasons for the APR mod otbeyond pure get up and go. The standard Tig was already reasonably tractable, but the modded Tig is even more tractable and this makes it even better for normal driving (ie below 2500 rpm), providing distinct advantages off road and for towing. The APR modded Tig would eat the deisel for breakfast towing. I make the point not too make it a tdi vs tsi thing, simply making because a lot of people assume the diesel is better for towing. With the upgrade the tsi has more torque than the diesel at every point in the rev range and substantially more at its peak and from 2000rpm onwards.

If you want to read more check out the "Tiguan Tuning starts" thread from page 14/15 on. I asked a lot of questions then about the mods and there are a lot of helpful responses.

Also from a post I did on the performance post, some info below on the torque changes
Looking at the power and Torque graph for APR stage 1:

TORQUE - there looks to be about 340Nm from 2000 rpm (assuming graph slope doesn't change much b/w 2500 and 2000 - graph doesn't go below 2500). This reflects to me the impression that from about 2000 it feels significantly stronger than stock and again unless there is a big fall off b/w 2500 and 1500 rpm, I expect that even down to 1500 rpm, Torque is at least at the old peak of 280Nm. This also reflects the impression that it feels pretty tractable right from 1500rpm. Torque climbs steadily from 2500 up 3300rpm at its peak of 402nm and then stays pretty flat until about 4800 (at peak power) where it starts to drop away more steeply, noting that it stays above pre upgrade peak of 280nm right thru to 6000rpm.

POWER climbs steeply all the way from 2500 to 4800rpm where it is at its peak of 189kW and then stays pretty flat thru to 6000rpm, only losing about 5-7% in that range.

From 6000 to 6500rpm though, power drops of more sharply losing a further 10% in 500revs down to 160kW and Torque drops off a further 20% to below 240Nm. So the drop off in both power and torque is significant from 6000rpm onwards. You hit the rev limiter around 7000rpm. Somewhere b/w 6 and 7 (about 6500) is a senseible shift up point for max get up and go.

hope this helps. In summary the APR upgrade makes a big diff right across the rev range and you'll notice the benefit right from 1500rpm, from 2000rpm its unstoppable and from 2500 there is some serious get up and go. One or two others have tried the oetinger upgrade and said it was significant too, but much peakier. They much preferred the APR upgrade.

Thanks for your review on the APR stage 1 tune.
When My Tig 147 arrives in August, I will also be interested for a tune too.