Apr sale now on!!

[jimbomort]

Hi guys,
The numbers quoted on the APR website certinaly seem impressive....
Interested to know what peoples experience has been with change in fuel economy post APR as well.

Fuel Economy - despite doing the APR upgrade I drive our car on average fairly economically. I haven't seen any noticeable improvement or loss, its about the same. Agree with Sharkie even going hard fuel consumptiom compared with Standard going hard is not that much worse.

...and there are other reasons for the APR mod otbeyond pure get up and go. The standard Tig was already reasonably tractable, but the modded Tig is even more tractable and this makes it even better for normal driving (ie below 2500 rpm), providing distinct advantages off road and for towing. The APR modded Tig would eat the deisel for breakfast towing. I make the point not too make it a tdi vs tsi thing, simply making because a lot of people assume the diesel is better for towing. With the upgrade the tsi has more torque than the diesel at every point in the rev range and substantially more at its peak and from 2000rpm onwards.

If you want to read more check out the "Tiguan Tuning starts" thread from page 14/15 on. I asked a lot of questions then about the mods and there are a lot of helpful responses.

Also from a post I did on the performance post, some info below on the torque changes
Looking at the power and Torque graph for APR stage 1:

TORQUE - there looks to be about 340Nm from 2000 rpm (assuming graph slope doesn't change much b/w 2500 and 2000 - graph doesn't go below 2500). This reflects to me the impression that from about 2000 it feels significantly stronger than stock and again unless there is a big fall off b/w 2500 and 1500 rpm, I expect that even down to 1500 rpm, Torque is at least at the old peak of 280Nm. This also reflects the impression that it feels pretty tractable right from 1500rpm. Torque climbs steadily from 2500 up 3300rpm at its peak of 402nm and then stays pretty flat until about 4800 (at peak power) where it starts to drop away more steeply, noting that it stays above pre upgrade peak of 280nm right thru to 6000rpm.

POWER climbs steeply all the way from 2500 to 4800rpm where it is at its peak of 189kW and then stays pretty flat thru to 6000rpm, only losing about 5-7% in that range.

From 6000 to 6500rpm though, power drops of more sharply losing a further 10% in 500revs down to 160kW and Torque drops off a further 20% to below 240Nm. So the drop off in both power and torque is significant from 6000rpm onwards. You hit the rev limiter around 7000rpm. Somewhere b/w 6 and 7 (about 6500) is a senseible shift up point for max get up and go.

hope this helps. In summary the APR upgrade makes a big diff right across the rev range and you'll notice the benefit right from 1500rpm, from 2000rpm its unstoppable and from 2500 there is some serious get up and go. One or two others have tried the oetinger upgrade and said it was significant too, but much peakier. They much preferred the APR upgrade.

[MrTig]

Thanks Sharkie and Jimbomot for for your insights. Very tempted to get mine APR'd now.

[Jas]

Fuel Economy - despite doing the APR upgrade I drive our car on average fairly economically. I haven't seen any noticeable improvement or loss, its about the same. Agree with Sharkie even going hard fuel consumptiom compared with Standard going hard is not that much worse.

...and there are other reasons for the APR mod otbeyond pure get up and go. The standard Tig was already reasonably tractable, but the modded Tig is even more tractable and this makes it even better for normal driving (ie below 2500 rpm), providing distinct advantages off road and for towing. The APR modded Tig would eat the deisel for breakfast towing. I make the point not too make it a tdi vs tsi thing, simply making because a lot of people assume the diesel is better for towing. With the upgrade the tsi has more torque than the diesel at every point in the rev range and substantially more at its peak and from 2000rpm onwards.

If you want to read more check out the "Tiguan Tuning starts" thread from page 14/15 on. I asked a lot of questions then about the mods and there are a lot of helpful responses.

Also from a post I did on the performance post, some info below on the torque changes
Looking at the power and Torque graph for APR stage 1:

TORQUE - there looks to be about 340Nm from 2000 rpm (assuming graph slope doesn't change much b/w 2500 and 2000 - graph doesn't go below 2500). This reflects to me the impression that from about 2000 it feels significantly stronger than stock and again unless there is a big fall off b/w 2500 and 1500 rpm, I expect that even down to 1500 rpm, Torque is at least at the old peak of 280Nm. This also reflects the impression that it feels pretty tractable right from 1500rpm. Torque climbs steadily from 2500 up 3300rpm at its peak of 402nm and then stays pretty flat until about 4800 (at peak power) where it starts to drop away more steeply, noting that it stays above pre upgrade peak of 280nm right thru to 6000rpm.

POWER climbs steeply all the way from 2500 to 4800rpm where it is at its peak of 189kW and then stays pretty flat thru to 6000rpm, only losing about 5-7% in that range.

From 6000 to 6500rpm though, power drops of more sharply losing a further 10% in 500revs down to 160kW and Torque drops off a further 20% to below 240Nm. So the drop off in both power and torque is significant from 6000rpm onwards. You hit the rev limiter around 7000rpm. Somewhere b/w 6 and 7 (about 6500) is a senseible shift up point for max get up and go.

hope this helps. In summary the APR upgrade makes a big diff right across the rev range and you'll notice the benefit right from 1500rpm, from 2000rpm its unstoppable and from 2500 there is some serious get up and go. One or two others have tried the oetinger upgrade and said it was significant too, but much peakier. They much preferred the APR upgrade.

Thanks for your review on the APR stage 1 tune.
When My Tig 147 arrives in August, I will also be interested for a tune too.

[jasspa]

Rang up the guys at European Autotech about getting the APR stage 1 tune and they do still have the special till the end of the month. I asked how long does it take to do the retune and was told depending on the ecu version, it can take upto 4 hours and I would need to return in a week or so to complete the tune. Has anyone else had this told to them???

[team_v]

It depends on the ECU.

Mine had to be removed and coded on the bench top rather than just the quick software re-program while in the car so it took about an hour.