Discover Media retrofit

[Simo]

VCDS Scan after putting the 3C0 Gateway back in:

Interestingly the Immobiliser still has a fault reading, but I assume this is because I didn't clear the faults before re-running the scan.

Monday,07,May,2018,21:43:42:38493VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64


Chassis Type: 3C-VW46 (3C0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 55
          56 62 65 72 77


VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE038764   Mileage: 94960km-59005miles


01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Not registered 0001
 
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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 012 E    HW: 02E 927 770 AJ
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     440 1982  
   Revision: 04844002    Serial number: 00000906161234
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 44551 111 44551
   VCID: 120555150DF9DCD4BE-8046


No fault code found.


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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000003285402
   Coding: E6868F0700041A00470A00000F000000000A59435C000120000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 05124 000 00000
   VCID: 334BF09152A335DCD5-8066


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C2 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 300709 022  0601  
   Coding: 00046997
   Shop #: WSC 05124  


   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AF  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RLS     260809 046  0204  
   Coding: 00208933
   Shop #: WSC 05124  


No fault code found.


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 3C8-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 919 475 A    HW: 3C8 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H07 0009  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 08740921503229
   Coding: 100103
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 61029
   VCID: 3245F5956DB93CD4DE-8066


No fault code found.


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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW25.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AJ    HW: 3C0 953 549 AJ
   Component: J0527               0030  
   Revision: 00032000    Serial number: 3C5953507CN   
   Coding: 0001211
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 74C9338D172D72E40C-8020


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0030


No fault code found.


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 3C0 920 872 E    HW: 3C0 920 872 E
   Component: KOMBI         H02 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 160F00
   Shop #: WSC 05314 115 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04040
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 277314C15E7B497C79-8072


No fault code found.


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 3C0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 L    HW: 3C0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H13 0152  
   Revision:   H13       Serial number: 3300P098270529
   Coding: FDA3FF07100202001003
   Shop #: WSC 11111 111 45725
   VCID: 2A75EDF58569741466-807E


3 Faults Found:
01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 184
                    Mileage: 94962 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.26
                    Time: 16:41:53


01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 184
                    Mileage: 94962 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.26
                    Time: 16:56:31


01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 144
                    Mileage: 94967 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.27
                    Time: 00:00:36




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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    IMMO         052 0383  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 75CF0E891C576BEC3B-8020


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
   Component:    ELV          027 0380
   3C0905861G     ELV          027 0380   


1 Fault Found:
02823 - Requirements for Locking the Steering Column Lock not met 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 184
                    Mileage: 94963 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.26
                    Time: 00:30:28




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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: 3C0-959-760.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 760 E    HW: 3C0 959 760 E
   Component: Sitzverstellung     1101  
   Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2F43FCE1BE8B113CB1-807A


No fault code found.


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AS    HW: 1K0 959 793 P
   Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1502  
   Revision: 71009005    Serial number: 00000934398701
   Coding: 0005047
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 7F23ECA12E6B21BC61-802A


No fault code found.


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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 143    2901  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 2F43FCE1BE8B113CB1-807A


No fault code found.


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    KSG PQ46 RDK 052 0412  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 00910A0001860E76300494157008DFCE105801
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 75CF0E891C576BEC3B-8020


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H09 9002


   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  004 0611


   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611


No fault code found.


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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 456     HW: 5K0 035 456 
   Component: KonzernAmp 8K H06 0340  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: BP218198613822
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst8KanalBNO2 A01003
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst8KanalBNO2.rod
   VCID: 67F354C19EFB897CB9-8032


No fault code found.



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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 E    HW: 3C8 907 801 E
   Component: J540 EPB3  VW-15417 0007  
   Revision:   010       Serial number: 00000000006790
   Coding: 0000057
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 2C79EBED8F9D6A2494-8078


No fault code found.


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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached


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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    RDK              0453  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0161211
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 75CF0E891C576BEC3B-8020


No fault code found.


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Address 77: Telephone
Cannot be reached


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[kamold]

Yes you will need to clear the fault for immobilizer and see if it comes back.

For the OPS display, you will need to put the 7N0 gateway back in and then check the following adaptation channels in 5F infotainment:

ENG122229-ENG117742-Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2-SWA_0x1A - change to "activated"

ENG122229-ENG117743-Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2-SWA_0x1A_msg_bus - change to "Terminal 15"

ENG122228-ENG117685-Car_Function_List_CAN_Gen2-PDC_audio_lowering - change to "Available"

ENG122228-ENG117686-Car_Function_List_CAN_Gen2-PDC_audio_lowering_msg_bus - change to "Terminal 15"

ENG122227-ENG117496-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc - change to "Activated"

ENG122227-ENG117499-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc_standstill - change to "Activated"

[Simo]

I have a hunch my OPS display issue might be an adaptation question...

According to this, there's an adaptation setting for OPS at ID 313, but that looks like it's MFD display; as well as some other Park Assist settings at 641 and 642 which I'm guessing might need to be enabled.

Looks like it might be a swap back to the 7N0 CAN and give it a go...

BTW - if anyone is interested, there's some half decent info on the MIB2 units here - almost a user manual, but not quite.

[Simo]

Yes you will need to clear the fault for immobilizer and see if it comes back.

For the OPS display, you will need to put the 7N0 gateway back in and then check the following adaptation channels in 5F infotainment:

ENG122229-ENG117742-Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2-SWA_0x1A - change to "activated"

ENG122229-ENG117743-Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2-SWA_0x1A_msg_bus - change to "Terminal 15"

ENG122228-ENG117685-Car_Function_List_CAN_Gen2-PDC_audio_lowering - change to "Available"

ENG122228-ENG117686-Car_Function_List_CAN_Gen2-PDC_audio_lowering_msg_bus - change to "Terminal 15"

ENG122227-ENG117496-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc - change to "Activated"

ENG122227-ENG117499-Car_Function_Adaptations_Gen2-menu_display_pdc_standstill - change to "Activated"

Ha! thank Kamold - looks like we were both onto the same thing - except yours looks like some comprehensive answers, whereas I'm just stabbing around in the dark.

I'll give these a go

[Simo]

Because I really didn't want to go through the whole process of my dash apart and swapping the gateways over, I thought I might see if I can still access the head unit through the 3C0 gateway...

Surprise, surprise, while I couldn't select it from the installed list, or add it to the gateway, I could access the 5F address directly, do the adaptions and any long coding (although there was none of that to do).

The unit appeared to accept all adaptions (restarted everything, checked the values, and the adaptions reported the appropriate changes), although still no parking display...

Now I'm confused - is it possible these adaptations didn't really go through (because of the wrong gateway). If they didn't then why did the changes persist after restarting the car and VCDS?

Of course if I got my parking display up, I would have been pretty chuffed by the whole result. Sadly not the case.

Kamold - what are your thoughts? I'm leaning towards something else being missing - I'm convinced these adaptations went through via the old gateway.

[kamold]

Try coding the first 2 bytes of your 5F infotainment:
Current: 0284
New: 0274

[Simo]

Try coding the first 2 bytes of your 5F infotainment:
Current: 0284
New: 0274

Dang. No luck...

I have a theory, which I'll try out on the weekend.

While I still have the old gateway connected, the steering wheel, MFD and reverse switch (volume lowering works) are all talking to the headunit, even though it's technically on an unknown address: 5F. I figure this is because they did their handshake with the new gateway installed, and now know how to talk to each other.

OPS on the other hand, was not set up with the right adaptation in the head unit with the new gateway, so never did the initial handshake, and therefore can't communicate.

Solution - swap the new gateway back in, perform the handshake, then swap it back out. Voila.

Ok, it's just a theory, but it's the only one making sense to me right now.

[kamold]

The new head unit is responding to the CAN commands on the infotainment bus same as an older unit at address 56 would. It can see a signal for mute, reverse, volume up etc.
There is no handshake as such in CAN. Just messages on a series of buses which connect and are filtered via the CANbus gateway.

I've never actually actually done any work with a Composition Media unit. I am only making assumptions based on what works in Discover Media.

2 ideas: It may be that the PDC messages are not being passed by the 3c8 gateway correctly - this is easily confirmed by testing with the 7N0 gateway in place.
Failing that it may be that you need a 1k8 PDC module like the Composition Media unit is supposed to see in a factory configuration like in an MY16 Jetta or Tiguan...

[Simo]

No luck with the 7N0 Gateway and original PDC, so it looks like I might need to upgrade to the 1k8 PDC. Hopefully this also works with the 3C8 Gateway - I'd rather give up the OPS display than have to do everything else that required with the 7N0 Gateway.

Interestingly, I can't find anywhere that specifically says you need the newer PDC for OPS to work (unless, as mentioned in this thread, it's to enable the camera overlay). Even the stores selling retrofit kits mention nothing about OPS.

[kamold]

I had a chat to a friend about this and this seems to be the sitation:

3C8 (and also 3AA) PDC modules with Discover/Composition media only show OPS IF you also have a RVC. This is just some sort of compatibility oddity.
I had a 3c8 module with rvc and discover. Since upgraded it to 1k8 and then PLA 2.0

1K8 PDC module will allow you to have only OPS or RVC image with OPS overlay.

I know 1k8 works with just OPS as MY16 Jetta has this combination from factory.
1k8 PDC module requires a 3 connector to 2 connector adapter harness.