Polo 6r, what oil?

[Diesel_vert]

Despite my above post I had the POLO serviced today and they put ELF 10 w 40 semi synthetic in it

I questioned it but they said it was an approved oil for a 77TSI

Your engine requires a lubricant that is approved to either 502.00 or 504.00

The only VW standard that Elf lubricants with an SAE grade of 10W-40 (there are several) are approved for, is 501.01 (petrol) and 505.00 (diesel).

Elf Competition SM 10W-40 (if that is what the mechanic used) is not one of those products - it is not on any one of VW's list of approved lubricants (to date).

[Guest001]

Your engine requires a lubricant that is approved to either 502.00 or 504.00

The only VW standard that Elf lubricants with an SAE grade of 10W-40 (there are several) are approved for, is 501.01 (petrol) and 505.00 (diesel).

Elf Competition SM 10W-40 (if that is what the mechanic used) is not one of those products - it is not on any one of VW's list of approved lubricants (to date).

Dont know what it is but was just over $9 a litre They only listed it as 10W 40 semi synthetic.

I asked if it was approved VW oil and he fudged a bit and said yes I said I thought it should be 504/507 and he said it was suitable.

Dont think I will go back there but they do specialise in VW

[Umai Naa!!]

$9 a litre pretty much says this is just an oil designed for everything else.

[Guest001]

On asking they say it is approved and is ELF RUBIA POLYTRAFFIC 10w 40

I cant find anywhere that says it is approved by VW

[Umai Naa!!]

Probably because it isn't.

Sadly, there's a few too many cowboys out there claiming to be 'experts' in the product.

[Diesel_vert]

On asking they say it is approved and is ELF RUBIA POLYTRAFFIC 10W-40

I cant find anywhere that says it is approved by VW

The Elf Rubia range of lubricants are primarily designed for heavy duty diesel engines. As such, I would not expect it to have any formal VW approvals, and indeed it doesn't. The workshop is either misinformed, ignorant or lying - contact Elf and ask for yourself.

Not saying you can't use heavy duty lubricants in passenger cars (many people do) but IMO it's not the optimal solution for a VW TSI engine.

For a lubricant to pass VW 502.00 usually requires a synthetic base (not semi-synthetic or mineral base). I think that's an important consideration IMO, especially for any petrol engine with a turbo.

[Guest001]

The Elf Rubia range of lubricants are primarily designed for heavy duty diesel engines. As such, I would not expect it to have any formal VW approvals, and indeed it doesn't. The workshop is either misinformed, ignorant or lying - contact Elf and ask for yourself.

Not saying you can't use heavy duty lubricants in passenger cars (many people do) but IMO it's not the optimal solution for a VW TSI engine.

For a lubricant to pass VW 502.00 usually requires a synthetic base (not semi-synthetic or mineral base). I think that's an important consideration IMO, especially for any petrol engine with a turbo.

The manual says it should have 504 for time servicing which is what mine gets as its only done 9800km in two years.

I d/loaded the Approved oil list from ER Win and the only 504/507 ELF oil is either Solaris LLX or Excellium which is a diesel oil anyway.
I have written them a letter voicing my displeasure and asking for a refund of the oil and filter price.

I guess I should go and buy the correct oil and filter and do a change myself.

Isnt the sump plug supposed to be replaced as well at oil changes Read somewhere it should be.

[Umai Naa!!]

I would personally recommend replacing it everytime. Otherwise, you'll be replacing sumps every now and then when the thread strips out.

You could replace the washer, but that'd mean cutting the old one off, as it's captive. For the $4.00 or so, I replace them every time, without fail.

[Diesel_vert]

The manual says it should have 504 for time servicing which is what mine gets as its only done 9800km in two years.

That's interesting, since Volkswagen usually permit the use of either 502.00 or 504.00 in their TSI engines, if the car is not on LongLife* servicing.

*Variable 15 000 km/1 year - 30 000 km/2 year intervals, as determined by the car via built-in sensors.

504.00 has increased performance requirements compared to 502.00 - so if your car is really only supposed to use 504.00 oils, then that's what I'd expect the workshop to use, especially during the warranty period.

I d/loaded the Approved oil list from ER Win and the only 504/507 ELF oil is either Solaris LLX or Excellium which is a diesel oil anyway.

There are specific combinations Volkswagen approve (e.g. 501.01/505.00, 502.00/505.00, 504.00/507.00, etc). They normally don't approve any lubricant unless it's dual rated (i.e. petrol/diesel). For instance, you will never find a lubricant on the market that only meets 504.00 but not 507.00, or vice versa.

Isn't the sump plug supposed to be replaced as well at oil changes Read somewhere it should be.

For any car, replacing the sump plug washer when draining oil through the sump is best practice.

If that involves replacing the sump plug as well, then so be it.

[Guest001]

That's interesting, since Volkswagen usually permit the use of either 502.00 or 504.00 in their TSI engines, if the car is not on LongLife* servicing.

*Variable 15 000 km/1 year - 30 000 km/2 year intervals, as determined by the car via built-in sensors.

504.00 has increased performance requirements compared to 502.00 - so if your car is really only supposed to use 504.00 oils, then that's what I'd expect the workshop to use, especially during the warranty period..

My manual says 504 for "with longlife" 502 "without longlife" so what should it be

No matter which, the oil used is not an Approved VW oil and therefore shouldnt have been used in a 9000km car IMHO Is it not better to use the highest spec oil ( 504/507) rather than just "One that will do" ???