Penrite Oil

[Transporter]

HPR Diesel 5 to be used on engines prior to 06 and is 506.00/506.01 only with regards to VW. its alo a global DLD-2/3 which is for the Landie TD5 and the rover TD6.
Cheers
Jmac
Just off the topic a wee bit but looking at the 09 product list here, they have a wide range, lot more than i thought and i see they have been wise to steer away from the Audi CVT.
They do Sonax car care products , anyone get any feedback on it????

I used only Sonax Engine flush and it is good. I use Inter-Ject brand as my main Injector cleaner for petrol and diesel. I think the Sonax brand could be a good value for money and I'll try Sonax Tyre Care next time I see Penrite rep.

[vinderliker]

I have been using Penrite HPR15 on the Little Beastie for a couple of years and I get great performance and usage out of it. When I had the big road trip over xmas, during both high heat and then high humidity, the car did not use a drop of oil and it is still opaque and viscous. I am due for an oil change on the 14th Jan, but I am under the 5000ks, I will still do the change anyway. Excellent value for money,and Australian as well.

[Jmac]

Yeah, I know Grego,
but I have more trust in VW505.01 approved ELF Solaris than any other oil that meets or is made to VW 506.01 or 507.00 specs. (Penrite HPR5 Diesel 5W40 and similar).

and should it come to it, that there is no longer VW506.01 oil to buy, we will have to start using 507.00 oils or what I call “a fake” 506.01 oils. In that case I would go with ELF Solaris or Penrite HPR5 Diesel 5W40 and the dose of LiquiMoly MOS2 additive.

Generally I’m against additives in oils but in the case of VW R5 engine I use LiquiMoly additive from 64000km on, in my engine. I hope, I never need to prematurely replace the camshaft and rockers.

Wow i didnt realise there was potential to have don a flame suit on the fuel and lub section, only offered help with any Penrite questions not a bagging of it. Itll clearly never change , use what (you ) feel the need to use and each to their own i suppose.
Wait till i introduce a new chip alternative this year hehehe armidillo suit on order hehehe.
Have fun and i take no offence really only trying to help . been with the brands for moons and tried very hard to stick by what they approve.
Cheers
Jmac

[gregozedobe]

and should it come to it, that there is no longer VW506.01 oil to buy, we will have to start using 507.00 oils or what I call “a fake” 506.01 oils. In that case I would go with ELF Solaris or Penrite HPR5 Diesel 5W40 and the dose of LiquiMoly MOS2 additive.

Have you seen the info re anti-wear properties of 506.01 vs 507.00 from Lubrizol as set out in this Brickyard thread ?

http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/oi...opic47209.html

According to that 507 is actually BETTER than 506.01, so you may not need to add MoS2 to use 507 into your early R5 engine.

I've read a few reports on R5s that were burning a fair bit of oil when filled with 506.01, then when the owners switched to 507 the engines burnt significantly less oil.


Jmac, I see no need for flame suits, just a healthy exchange of opinions, no "bagging" that I can see.

The more information people have, the better quality choices thay can make re what oil to put in their vehicles

[Transporter]

Have you seen the info re anti-wear properties of 506.01 vs 507.00 from Lubrizol as set out in this Brickyard thread ?

http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/oi...opic47209.html

According to that 507 is actually BETTER than 506.01, so you may not need to add MoS2 to use 507 into your early R5 engine.

I've read a few reports on R5s that were burning a fair bit of oil when filled with 506.01, then when the owners switched to 507 the engines burnt significantly less oil.


Jmac, I see no need for flame suits, just a healthy exchange of opinions, no "bagging" that I can see.

The more information people have, the better quality choices thay can make re what oil to put in their vehicles

Great info,

I wonder, if it is the viscosity 0W30 of the VW506.01 that is more important for early R5 engine, since the VW don't want to use VW507.00 in them.

I looked at the wear scars in that article from Lubrizol and one has to remember that for the 0W30 oil to get the same results in anti-wear protection the anti-wear additives must be tougher (better or maybe “a different” is probably a better word) than in 5W30 oils.

Any way it is good to know that 507.00 oils are as tough as 506.01, less worry for the future.

Wow i didnt realise there was potential to have don a flame suit on the fuel and lub section, only offered help with any Penrite questions not a bagging of it. Itll clearly never change , use what (you ) feel the need to use and each to their own i suppose.
Wait till i introduce a new chip alternative this year hehehe armidillo suit on order hehehe.
Have fun and i take no offence really only trying to help . been with the brands for moons and tried very hard to stick by what they approve.
Cheers
Jmac

Don’t get me wrong mate, I like the Penrite products, I switched from ELF to Penrite and now use only some of the ELF oils. Penrite is a great product and it was the no.2 reason why I made the switch, no 1 was, it is OZ made.

What I meant was that, my T5’s owner’s manual allows VW505.01 and since the ELF is approved for that,
it is a logical choice to use it before Penrite's - made to specs (not tested/not approved) oil.

[Jmac]

Have you seen the info re anti-wear properties of 506.01 vs 507.00 from Lubrizol as set out in this Brickyard thread ?

http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/oi...opic47209.html

According to that 507 is actually BETTER than 506.01, so you may not need to add MoS2 to use 507 into your early R5 engine.

I've read a few reports on R5s that were burning a fair bit of oil when filled with 506.01, then when the owners switched to 507 the engines burnt significantly less oil.


Jmac, I see no need for flame suits, just a healthy exchange of opinions, no "bagging" that I can see.

The more information people have, the better quality choices thay can make re what oil to put in their vehicles

Fair call from you both, glad to see a conversation about it and not just which oil is best routine like normal, i might have jumped a bit and thats just the gaelic blood firing through my veins guys im up for topic like the rest but have had the haunches up a few times on here but chill pill in order
Cant be helped sometimes im sure you understand when you read some of the drivel
Peace
Jmac

[Transporter]

Fair call from you both, glad to see a conversation about it and not just which oil is best routine like normal, i might have jumped a bit and thats just the gaelic blood firing through my veins guys im up for topic like the rest but have had the haunches up a few times on here but chill pill in order
Cant be helped sometimes im sure you understand when you read some of the drivel
Peace
Jmac

No prob's mate, it's all good.

Did you try any of the Sonax product, yet?

[gregozedobe]

I wonder, if it is the viscosity 0W30 of the VW506.01 that is more important for early R5 engine, since the VW don't want to use VW507.00 in them.

AFAIK the 0W vs 5W is the viscosity (flowability) at low temperatures, and the second 30W is the rating for hot oil, so there is no effective difference between the two as far as viscosity goes once the engine is warmed up.

I think the anti-wear additives are the crucial ingredient in 506.01 oils.

The lower cold viscosity in 506.01 might help with cold starts and lubrication at start up with the freezing temps they are getting in Europe and northern USA lately.

My theory on why VW hasn't officially approved 507 for the early R5 motors is simple economics - that particular variant of the R5 engine is no longer made and there are not many of them in use, so not much demand for oils for them, therefore not worth spending the money to go through the approval process for 507 oils.

What I meant was that, my T5’s owner’s manual allows VW505.01

Do you know if 505.01 is currently approved for your engine ? I ask because VW have been known to change oil approvals for engines well after the date of after manufacture, thus rendering "no longer accurate" the info in the owner's manual that came with the vehicle.

I have read quite a few oil manufacturer's "which oil" guides for T5s, and I don't recall seeing 505.01 mentioned as suitable for R5s.

Personally, if I had an early R5 engine (I don't), I would be more comfortable using a "made to spec" 507 oil than with a "VW officially approved" 505.01 oil, especially if going the full 12 months/15,000 km between services and/or if there were a significant number of short journeys in the driving regime. Probably wouldn't matter either way with shorter change intervals and wholly longer journeys. But that is just my opinion

As I've said before, it is up to each individual to gather all the relevant info and make the choice they believe is best for their circumstances.

[Diesel_vert]

Also, see my earlier post on this thread regarding UOA's on 507 oils. The jist of it being 507.00 oils show a lower wear rate than 505.01 (in 4-cylinder TDI's).

So while real world data shows 507.00 is better than 505.01, I don't know if you can extrapolate that data to R5 engines.

IMHO I don't think it matters what you use - 505.01, 506.01, 507.00, "approved", "meets/exceeds", whatever - just use what you're comfortable with and if the engine dies from poor lubrication, submit a claim to the oil manufacturer.

One thing Volkswagen need to do though, is to stay off the crack.

[Transporter]

AFAIK the 0W vs 5W is the viscosity (flowability) at low temperatures, and the second 30W is the rating for hot oil, so there is no effective difference between the two as far as viscosity goes once the engine is warmed up.

I think the anti-wear additives are the crucial ingredient in 506.01 oils.

The lower cold viscosity in 506.01 might help with cold starts and lubrication at start up with the freezing temps they are getting in Europe and northern USA lately.

My theory on why VW hasn't officially approved 507 for the early R5 motors is simple economics - that particular variant of the R5 engine is no longer made and there are not many of them in use, so not much demand for oils for them, therefore not worth spending the money to go through the approval process for 507 oils.




Do you know if 505.01 is currently approved for your engine ? I ask because VW have been known to change oil approvals for engines well after the date of after manufacture, thus rendering "no longer accurate" the info in the owner's manual that came with the vehicle.

I have read quite a few oil manufacturer's "which oil" guides for T5s, and I don't recall seeing 505.01 mentioned as suitable for R5s.

Personally, if I had an early R5 engine (I don't), I would be more comfortable using a "made to spec" 507 oil than with a "VW officially approved" 505.01 oil, especially if going the full 12 months/15,000 km between services and/or if there were a significant number of short journeys in the driving regime. Probably wouldn't matter either way with shorter change intervals and wholly longer journeys. But that is just my opinion

As I've said before, it is up to each individual to gather all the relevant info and make the choice they believe is best for their circumstances.

The wear at the start up in 0W might be less compared to 5W weight oils. As the 0W oil flows faster when cold (most of the engine wear is done at first seconds when the engine starts), you get the critical components lubricated sooner, and also when the oil is aging its viscosity is changing too.

VW505.01 approved for my R5 also means that the oil was tested in no. of T5’s and was approved at the time for 12months/15,000km. Why did they later change it to VW506.01 I don't know, it could well be because of the worn out valve train components when people were changing oil at 15,000km intervals, I change my oil at 7,500km or 6 months, no later. The 506.01 oil was approved for 2 years or 50,000km (not in OZ) when I bought my van and what they say now? Is it 30,000km?

But regardless of the speculations, I always keep the stock of VW506.01 oil for my T5, so it is very unlikely I will have to use VW505.01 or VW507.00 in it.
At the moment I plan on keeping that van for another 5 to 10 years and even if it last that long, I can't say it is because I changed oil every 7,500km (too small test sample, 1 vehicle).