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Thread: Best Diesel: Shell? Caltex? BP? Mobil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahle81 View Post
    Forgive me if this sounds rude - I know car enthusiasts will always be car enthusiasts but thinking that one petrol or diesel product is better at one servo than the other is simply crazy. I am a chemical engineer and I have worked in refinery laboratories and trust me, just go to the servo where it happens to be cheap on that day and fill up. You can go home happy that you have some of the best quality normal automotive fuel in the world.
    So why would the dealer urge us strongly and directly to use just BP?
    And we have, until last week, when a late-night vat of Shell found its way in.
    INterested in all this,kahle81, and what you bring, so not rude at all.
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    I just think that you have to take into account an unimaginable amount of factors to be able to predict how the complex mixture of compounds in your fuel tank is going to act in your engine.

    Firstly there is the crude composition which varies worldwide - the crudes in and around australia/south asia are of very good quality and that's why the oil prices run off the Singapor tapis crude prices and not the american (even though they still report the american in the news). But these crudes vary in their composition so what is being bought by the refineries is always changing.

    There are so many factors in a refinery which affect the product. There are obviously standards and targets but most products that come out of the refinery are blends and can vary day to day. So your lubricity, sulphur, driveability, cetane, flashpoint, plugging point, volatility and chemical content are always changing.

    I think the most important thing for fuel quality is the tank that it is stored in at the servo. Different servo's have different tank cleaning schedules (to remove moisture, gums and contaminants). I would buy my fuel from the newest servo with the newest tanks if I had access to that information.

    That being said, there are always going to be bad batches of fuel, which is not always the refinery/servos fault. We would commonly test samples from tanks in which you could see flakes of rust and bits of rubber from the fuel tank. There are always incidents of water contamination in servo tanks as well.

    Quite frankly the dealer would know SFA about fuel but VWA would. Perhaps they have test data or a relationship with BP or perhaps they run it in their company cars but I guess you can't go wrong recommending BP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil View Post
    I do recall one of our members near the blue mountains having issues with
    black smoke, it even went as far as VWA, adviced the dealer to advice
    the owner to use BP and the black smoke issue was resolved.
    Interesting. BP (as with Mobil) don't have a refinery in NSW and are supplied by either Shell or Caltex.
    QLD - Shell & Mobil are supplied by Caltex or BP
    VIC - Caltex & BP are supplied by Mobil or Shell
    All import their own into Adelaide
    WA - Mobil & Caltex supplied by BP or Shell
    TAS - Most import their own, or supply by Caltex or Shell

    I don't know if they then add additional additives to the product once they pick it up in each state, but I can't see in a state where one is supplied by another how any difference occurs.
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    Im with gldgti

    When you think about the supermarkets have most aussies buying there fuel for the sake of usally no more than $2 a tank, which last most of us 1 or 2 weeks ( a saving of $104 dollars a yr) its ludicrious that we are ruining the compertition for other quality independant resellers of fuel . dont get me wrong I was the same untill I did the sums recently and I am saying quality resellers not two bit guys that put all sorts of **** in there fuel, not all coles and wollies outlets have quality fuel either . It seems funny people out there who have spent reasonably big to get one of the best TDI's out there and then there are worried about $104 extra a yr on diesel when buying from independants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redman View Post
    Interesting. BP (as with Mobil) don't have a refinery in NSW and are supplied by either Shell or Caltex.
    QLD - Shell & Mobil are supplied by Caltex or BP
    VIC - Caltex & BP are supplied by Mobil or Shell
    All import their own into Adelaide
    WA - Mobil & Caltex supplied by BP or Shell
    TAS - Most import their own, or supply by Caltex or Shell

    I don't know if they then add additional additives to the product once they pick it up in each state, but I can't see in a state where one is supplied by another how any difference occurs.

    It is my understanding the other companies add their proprietary "11 herbs and spices" to the tankers before or after pick-up from the terminal of whatever refiner is supplying the fuel.

    Perhaps someone in the industry can confirm if this is just another urban myth or what does occur.
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    urban myth with exception of BP Ultimate and Ultimate Diesel where additives are added at the terminal. NSW BP and Shell share Parramatta terminal all produce except Ultimate comes from Shell Refinery for both.
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    From my other thread over here: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f136...are-46705.html

    I'm copying this information about diesel:

    Details on EN 590 can be found here:
    EN 590 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BP's website has this information:
    Products and services - On the road - Fuels - Diesel - BP Diesel 10ppm

    constantly monitored by laboratory tests to ensure that each batch of BP Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel (10ppm) meets Euro standards specification.
    Of course it doesn't say what standard... should we assume it's EN 590? From what I read 10ppm is the mark needed, so it looks like we are all good. A quick poke around and Shells website says similar things. So it looks like all diesel in Australia has had to meet this requirement since 01/01/2009 (according to the BP website).

    So am I right in saying all diesel is now low sulphur??


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    Yep, all diesel sold in Oz is legally bound to have less than 10 ppm of sulphur, as outlined here.

    That said, it still doesn't prevent you from picking up a bad batch of diesel from contaminated or leaky storage tanks, poorly maintained fuel dispensers, etc, etc.

    Rather than concentrating on what brand to fill up with, find a service station where the fuel has a high turn over or go to where all the trucks fill up.

    Pro tip - always ask for a receipt.
    If fuel bought from BP and Shell is found to have caused equipment damage they will cover the cost of repairs as long as you have proof of purchase.

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    Just filled up with Caltex Vortex diesel, first time and I'll see how it goes over a few tanks.

    Puzzled me a bit, the price was the same as 'normal' diesel, at 129.9 a litre.

    If that's the norm, why not fill up with premium diesel.

    Do others find the price of premium and standard diesel the same, or it differs?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin View Post
    Just filled up with Caltex Vortex diesel, first time and I'll see how it goes over a few tanks.

    Puzzled me a bit, the price was the same as 'normal' diesel, at 129.9 a litre.

    If that's the norm, why not fill up with premium diesel.

    Do others find the price of premium and standard diesel the same, or it differs?


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    How has the Vortex gone? It has just arrived in Townsville. Price was 132.9 cents/L. I have only filled up twice with diesel since i got my new car, which has been at the BP in Cluden which is also one of the major truck stops in town. I filled up with regular diesel for 128.9 cents/L.
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