UK Govt Scrappage Scheme!

[Treza360]

Apparently there will be more plasma packages in the future, err I mean stimulus packages.

I believe they will be more aimed at infrastructure projects and those kind of things where it will have more of a significant impact on the economy.
Cheers,
Trent

[gldgti]

It is a great way to get rid of old, polluting cars and provide an incentive to get a newer, greener car.

people always assume that older cars are "polluting" and dirty, and that may be the case for some vehicles.... it is however a TOTAL MYTH that driving an older car is a bad thing.

when you consider the *enormous!!!* amount of energy that goes into the production of a new motor car, including raw materials useage, burning of fuels to refine the materials within the vehicle, environmental degradation due to mining, etc etc at length, it is a FACT that one of the best things you can do for the environment, is to own an economical vehicle for a long time.

if you keep your mk1 diesel golf for 30 years, you will have so much less impact on the environment than if you buy just one new car in that time, and NEVER drive it. just building one car uses far more energy than you will burn up in 300,000km of driving.

[Golf Loon]

I agree with Aydan, but I would support a Govt scheme here for example, $500 for every car over 2Ls that people could drag, drive or roll into a recycling centre.

This would get rid of a lot of the old guzzlers, lots of which are massive and so would have lots of scrap steel.

Eg XE Falcon, or VB Commodore, 2 of the ugliest and non efficient cars IMO.

I reckon there would be a period of time where people would be dragging cars out of paddocks etc to scrap em, but then they would be gone and could never pollute again.

By not extending the scheme to smaller engined cars, it would support the people who are just gonna keep an old car forever, which is the most energy efficient thing you can do.

Just my 2c worth.

[team_v]

people always assume that older cars are "polluting" and dirty, and that may be the case for some vehicles.... it is however a TOTAL MYTH that driving an older car is a bad thing.

when you consider the *enormous!!!* amount of energy that goes into the production of a new motor car, including raw materials useage, burning of fuels to refine the materials within the vehicle, environmental degradation due to mining, etc etc at length, it is a FACT that one of the best things you can do for the environment, is to own an economical vehicle for a long time.

if you keep your mk1 diesel golf for 30 years, you will have so much less impact on the environment than if you buy just one new car in that time, and NEVER drive it. just building one car uses far more energy than you will burn up in 300,000km of driving.

Just to clarify, i meant old and/or polluting cars.
Some old cars are quite good with their emissions but there are also a lot of old bombs out there that blow a lot of smoke and run pretty high emissions/fuel economy.
It's just another way to stimulate the economy and tack on a "green answer" to the problem rather than an actual energy/emission regulation.

I do agree that it costs a lot of energy and therefore emissions to make a new car.
However in relation to the scrappage incentive, the new cars are already going to be made/have been made anyway so it adds no "extra" emissions/energy use.
I believe there was a base incentive in most countries, however the incentive went up more if you had a higher fuel consumption/higher emission car.



Note, i am just providing the information as i have found it from EU and American policies.

[gldgti]

Ahh i mant nothing towards you, just trying to clarify some other related points

However in relation to the scrappage incentive, the new cars are already going to be made/have been made anyway .

however this statement is a little.... lets say.. kind of untrue - generally speaking. scrappage schemes asside, encouraging people to buy new cars will add to the market demand.

from a conservation perspective, it is important to get people to consume less - in general - so therefore creating less demand for things to be made, and energy to be used.

so, if you add to the market demand for new cars, more cars will be made, and more resources spent. any effect a scheme like this could have in reducing some of the emissions from personal transport will/is far offset by the effects of increased production.

in an economic sense, sure it works. but the environmental hook to get people on-board is a joke - another case of false advertising.

***OPINION IMMINENT***
personally, i'd rather see a downturn in the vehicle production industry (such as is happenning now/has happened with Mitsubishi Australia, Chrysler and GM) and have those people left out of work be given the opportunity through government funding (that is being used to prop up the economically un-viable companies instead) to be trained in other areas and given jobs in manufacturing renewable energy technology - rather than see what we do see.
however, its much easier to throw money at something, for most governments, it seems

***opinion over***



nonetheless, thanks for bringing this subject to light for us.

[PassatB6]

I think we need to crunch all the numbers before we can decide whether it is more energy efficient to use an old car than buy a new one. Its much a more complicated issue than it seems.

[nick1234]

would you scrap a 10-year old or classic VW for a new one despite the fact that it would run for another ten years?

This is what is happening in Europe at the moment where people throw away cars in top condition and with extremely low kilometres.

This is so wasteful!!

[PassatB6]

would you scrap a 10-year old or classic VW for a new one despite the fact that it would run for another ten years?

No. But I would scrap a ten year old Hyundai Excel for a new VW. Come to think of it I would scrap a 1 yr old Hyundai Excel for a new VW.

[roccodingo]

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I reckon there would be a period of time where people would be dragging cars out of paddocks etc to scrap em, but then they would be gone and could never pollute again.

When the scrap steel price was way up there, this was infact happening, but nothing to do with savvy government policy by any means .

Couldnt agree more about getting all the unroadworthy unmaintained older cars of the road of whatever manufacture tho, prob be a good idea to send the driver/owner with it..

[roccodingo]

would you scrap a 10-year old or classic VW for a new one despite the fact that it would run for another ten years?

This is what is happening in Europe at the moment where people throw away cars in top condition and with extremely low kilometres.

This is so wasteful!!

This happens big time in the US, cars go to the scrapyard because the owner thinks its a throwaway item ( to lazy to maintain ) California policy is the gov't gives you a grand to take your car and scrap it, Once in the yard the shell can never be re registered. I have seen perfectly good vehicles in yards over there that need only minor maintenance to be good runners.

To keep these already manufactured vehicles on the roads is definately environmentally the most effective method than churning out millions of newer units.

I think the time is fast approaching where the world and its ways are due for a period of huge change...