MK6 Golf - The R32 is dead .... but a GTI-R LIVES !!!!

[RhysQ]

Also...

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=459bb03276e82

Here's some AWD getting beaten by FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=48010c7661c3b

Some more AWD losing to FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=458d141445bc7

Even more AWD losing to FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=458d43aceab07

And why not some more AWD losing to FWD.

HAHAHAHA.....i like it how you've compared them all to WRX's, a car that has always had such a crap mushy suspension setup that significantly decreases its cornering abilities. these FWD cars you have picked have far superior suspension setups and in turn, superior cornering abilites. i have the latest edition of Motor magazine doing the BFYB08. both the new model WRX and STI had rubbish lap times compared to thier competition due to rubbish suspension.

We are comparing two Golf's here my friend, not random hatches vs sedans!

your comparisons are about as useful as comparing a FWD Honda City Turbo II to a 911 Turbo AWD.....well, they are both turbo

Cheers,
Rhys

[Pumpe-Düse]

HAHAHAHA.....i like it how you've compared them all to WRX's, a car that has always had such a crap mushy suspension setup that significantly decreases its cornering abilities. these FWD cars you have picked have far superior suspension setups and in turn, superior cornering abilites. i have the latest edition of Motor magazine doing the BFYB08. both the new model WRX and STI had rubbish lap times compared to thier competition due to rubbish suspension.

We are comparing two Golf's here my friend, not random hatches vs sedans!

your comparisons are about as useful as comparing a FWD Honda City Turbo II to a 911 Turbo AWD.....well, they are both turbo

Cheers,
Rhys

You've conveniantley ignored the Golf R32 vs Megane R26 time. You'll also notice that the Megane R26R vs WRX STi is the old shape STi not the new one that you mention.

However you've hit the nail on the head without me having to go into it any further - suspension.

More important then drive type is suspension & chassis.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=4886c2337c47d

Here's an EVO 7 losing to a Megane R26R. You're going to try and tell me Evo's are crap too, right?

I'm replying to a blanket statement that FWD is worse then AWD. It's not true.

[VW GTI]

I'm replying to a blanket statement that FWD is worse then AWD. It's not true.

Find a video of a car with EXACT same specs apart from AWD/FWD and the same driver around the same track.

You're comparing cars that are completely different and who knows what they've had done to them.

I was just saying, AWD will always get better traction than a FWD, in some cases it is too much traction and it slows them.

[Golf Houso]

That R26 is something else, I'm seriously considering getting a used 225 of some kind as a next car...

The new WRX is a questionable car to say the least, why it performs in such a way I'm still unsure of, what I am sure of is they're trying to break into the euro hot-hatch and premium hatch market, and aren't doing all that well at it

[Pumpe-Düse]

Find a video of a car with EXACT same specs apart from AWD/FWD and the same driver around the same track.

You're comparing cars that are completely different and who knows what they've had done to them.

I was just saying, AWD will always get better traction than a FWD, in some cases it is too much traction and it slows them.

The reason AWD's get slowed isn't too much traction. It is first the increased driveline losses meaning less power gets to the ground & second the increased weight, meaning a slower car.

I don't know of an FWD vs AWD with the exact same specs to compare off the top of my head, the closest is Golf GTI vs R32 which share chassis and suspension geometry, but the significantly more powerful R32 always wins because of the extra power. I'd bet money that if you got another 147kW GTI and added to it the R32's AWD setup (adding easily 100kg to the weight of the car), it would be slower then the FWD model.

[VW GTI]

The reason AWD's get slowed isn't too much traction. It is first the increased driveline losses meaning less power gets to the ground & second the increased weight, meaning a slower car.

I don't know of an FWD vs AWD with the exact same specs to compare off the top of my head, the closest is Golf GTI vs R32 which share chassis and suspension geometry, but the significantly more powerful R32 always wins because of the extra power. I'd bet money that if you got another 147kW GTI and added to it the R32's AWD setup (adding easily 100kg to the weight of the car), it would be slower then the FWD model.

Audi have lots don't they?

A3, A4, TT?

[POLARBEAR666]

If you look at the R32 it is hardly .1 faster to 100 than a stock GTI and that is despite 40kw more. That is because 1594kg R32 vs 1500kg GTI gives the GTI a 94kg advantage. 100kg is worth .2-.5 seconds on the Qtr mile and cancels out the extra 40kw that the R32 has vs a stock GTI.

So I don't think that a 200kw 4motion new golf will be faster than a 147kw mk5 golf by more than .1 or .2 to 100. If you fit sticky tyres to the GTI it would be dead even or faster.

The other reason I wouldn't want a 4wd DSG car is that 4wd puts all of the strain on the gearbox. Without some wheelspin your clutches just take all the force. WRX';s EVo's and GTR's eat clutches.

[RhysQ]

Pumpe-Duse, i apologise, i did forget to mention the Golf R32 vs Megane R26...but there again, the R26 poos all over the golf with suspension and chassis set up. its not dubbed the F1 edition for nothing!

as for the WRX comment....read through my previous posts again slowly and you'll see i clearly said that the WRX is a car that has always had rubbish suspension.

no, evo's are far from crap but once again, the megane has a far superior suspension and chassis set up. it has to be one of or if not the best for a car its size.

like sam said, there is no point comparing unless it is the same car with the FWD and AWD options, such as those of the Audi's.

Rhys

[VW Convert]

The other reason I wouldn't want a 4wd DSG car is that 4wd puts all of the strain on the gearbox. Without some wheelspin your clutches just take all the force. WRX';s EVo's and GTR's eat clutches.

This would be true if we spent all of our time drag racing, reality is that in normal driving you don't spin your wheels.

Cheers

George

[VW GTI]

And you don't get DSG if you want to drive. You get it if you want to steer.