End of Diesel cars is Nigh?

[CanberravRS]

Diesel is dead, says Lexus chief

Interested to hear your thoughts.

In my mind the Head of Lexus Australia is as narrow minded as the Federal Liberal party leader is.

[gareth_oau]

if its true there would be incredible consequences on the trucking industry.

diesel is preferred due to the high torque properties and long range.

i somehow can't see hybrid engines being cost effective in the trucking industry

[theduckster]

if its true there would be incredible consequences on the trucking industry.

diesel is preferred due to the high torque properties and long range.

i somehow can't see hybrid engines being cost effective in the trucking industry

I would have to agree. There would have to be some pretty major advances in hybrid techology in the next two to three years for it to take place of the diesel equivalent. I would tend to back diesel engine tehnology advancing to comply with Euro 6 standards, but at what cost though. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see Euro 6 standards pushed back if there was no viable alternative to the current diesel engine in 2014.

[K1W1]

Gee, what a surprise the boss of a company that has just released a hybrid car that has a far worse total life cycle environmental cost than most diesels is saying diesel is dead.
Let me get back to you on whether I believe him.

[PassatB6]

He's miffed because Toyota hybrids have been matched by VW group diesels in the economy stakes while being much better drives and with more torque. VW made the decision years ago to go diesel rather than hybrid and its paid off big time. VW said at the time people would not flock to Hybrids if they sacrificed driveability. Prius is no longer the great advance it once was. At the moment hybrids are not very desirable vehicles. Toyota backed the wrong horse and are paying for it.

[Transporter]

I'm speechless and have to agree with the first comment in that article. Look at the Toyota Camry Hybrid CO2 emissions per km, a new Touareg diesel comes very close, ridiculous. It proves that anybody can be a chief or CEO. Well, I saved that article.

Car manufacturers are developing next model as soon as the current one is on sale and engine technologies are developed more than 5 years ahead in line with that and I don't see any signs of the diesel engines being discontinued.

[Frankenstrat]

Prius is no longer the great advance it once was. At the moment hybrids are not very desirable vehicles. Toyota backed the wrong horse and are paying for it.

Damn right, after the debacle in the US with the unstoppable Prius cars, Toyota must be hurting very badly. Hydrogen Fuel Cells will be the next automotive holy grail.

[Preen59]

You guys will see greatly reduced soot when using 2 stroke oil...

Gee, what a surprise the boss of a company that has just released a hybrid car that has a far worse total life cycle environmental cost than most diesels is saying diesel is dead.
Let me get back to you on whether I believe him.

This quote really says it all. Total life cycle to produce a hybrid with their VERY enviromentally damaging batteries (both to produce and dispose of when they're shot) is way worse than any Diesel, or even decently fuel efficient petrol car on the environment.

People who buy hybrids are either sheep, idiots or do gooders that want to look good infront of all the sheep and idiots.


On thr trip down to Drysdale with the Caddy, fully loaded up, towing a CAR TRAILER with the Mk1 on the back.. I got 7.6l/100km average for the trip.. Sitting on an easy 110 on the Hume.

I'd like to see ANY hybrid match that.

[kaanage]

You guys will see greatly reduced soot when using 2 stroke oil...

Already am (current tank Castrol TTS @ 200:1, prev tank Motul 800 same ratio)
Soot hasn't changed for off boost driving AFAICT. I still get a BIG dump when I 1st get it hard on boost after accumulating from off boost puttering about.

The dyno runs tomorrow will show if it soots more/less/same when on boost as the previous dyno session (when I sooted out the workshop) was before I started running 2 stroke as an additive as I'll give it some hammer on the way there to clear out the system.

Totally agree with the lifecycle and owner comments re hybrids.

BTW did you look at the Orbital injector link that I PM'd to you?

[Frankenstrat]

if its true there would be incredible consequences on the trucking industry.

And the mining industry, earth moving, and establishments that requires a stand-by diesel generator.