£50 Golf mk1 beats a £1m Bugatti

[velly_16v_cab]

To be honest, if I had $120 to spend, I wouldn't be dumping it into a mk1 golf. There are cars out there that you could spend that total amount on (including car) and be even quicker IMO.

Pulsar GTI-R is a car that comes to mind that would be a good base..... light, wide, AWD, huge engine bay, strong running gear (not that it would stay stock). RB26 in it and you'd be going pretty damn fast.... at a fraction of the cost.

but wot would it cost to get a GTI-R to perform like the golf?
and besides, it aint a VW

i sill like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiT-t...eature=related

Dubweiser's Golf GTI

[static1800]

To be honest, if I had $120 to spend, I wouldn't be dumping it into a mk1 golf. There are cars out there that you could spend that total amount on (including car) and be even quicker IMO.

Pulsar GTI-R is a car that comes to mind that would be a good base..... light, wide, AWD, huge engine bay, strong running gear (not that it would stay stock). RB26 in it and you'd be going pretty damn fast.... at a fraction of the cost.

btw, that mk1 is awd. It has a Rallye drive train in it including the rallye front subframe.

[RhysQ]

GTiR also weighs about 400-500kg's more than a Mk1 in standard trim.

There is a hell of a lot more trim/wiring/auxiliaries etc in a GTI-R than a MK1. I reckon once both have been stripped out that gap would significantly decrease.

But yeah RB26 would be tough to get in....it's just that the engine bay is pretty damn big for the size of the car, thought it would be a possibility. They're getting RB's into S13's pretty easy these days (I'm helping a mate out with one at the moment), and the engine bay in one of them is far from huge. I suppose the SR20 is a pretty damn good engine anyway, capable of reliable huge numbers.

but wot would it cost to get a GTI-R to perform like the golf?
and besides, it aint a VW

spoken like a true enthusiast, well played sir. I would however, heavily argue the point that $120,000 spent on both cars (including cost of car in that figure) would see a GTI-R easily clear the MK1 in straight line and track. Just my opinion anyway, I've been around Jap imports my whole life. Also, you can get a mildly modded GTI-R good for a 0-100 5sec pass for around the $10K these days. More mods and really clean examples are around $14-$15k. There's not much over that.

btw, that mk1 is awd. It has a Rallye drive train in it including the rallye front subframe.

Didn't realise that sorry, I thought it was amazing how much traction it got for what I thought was FWD.

Cheers.

[Mika]

There is a hell of a lot more trim/wiring/auxiliaries etc in a GTI-R than a MK1. I reckon once both have been stripped out that gap would significantly decrease.

Don't get me wrong, I reckon you could do it too with an SR stroker and a big huffer...amongst other things. I own an almost DET'd pulsar myself hehe. A mate has stripped his B13 NX which is very similar to the N14 chassis and managed to get it down to just a peep under 1tonne from 1165kg stock. Nothing but a seat, dash, steering wheel, FWD rolling chassis and engine/driveline. Sound deadening, heater, I think even lights have been removed to get there! GTiR weighs 1220kgs, so we'd assume that the iR would weigh about 1050kg stripped.

Then again, if the mk1 is AWD it probably weighs a fair bit more than standard anyway!

[evorobin]

A mate has stripped his B13 NX which is very similar to the N14 chassis and managed to get it down to just a peep under 1tonne from 1165kg stock. Nothing but a seat, dash, steering wheel, FWD rolling chassis and engine/driveline.

Dude a 2 door mk2 is 920KG stock. Best chassis ever!

[Mika]

Dude a 2 door mk2 is 920KG stock. Best chassis ever!

I've read anywhere from 800-900kg's, but that's what I was getting at...the GTiR is already at a massive weight disadvantage. That said, the SR20DET can pump out some fairly decent power to compensate a little.

When I started looking at mk1's, I was actually contemplating putting an SR20 of some description in there due to the low weight...Would definitely be able to shake up the SFWD time lists at the drags.

[velly_16v_cab]

spoken like a true enthusiast, well played sir. I would however, heavily argue the point that $120,000 spent on both cars (including cost of car in that figure) would see a GTI-R easily clear the MK1 in straight line and track. Just my opinion anyway, I've been around Jap imports my whole life. Also, you can get a mildly modded GTI-R good for a 0-100 5sec pass for around the $10K these days. More mods and really clean examples are around $14-$15k. There's not much over that.

5 seconds 0-100 is still a country mile away from 2.36 seconds
if you know anything about car modding you know it takes more than a chip mod and k&n filter to get those times.
so you saying for 25K a GTI-R will be quicker???

[Jarred]

mk 2 (2 door) syncro with a worked 20VT.

problem solved.

[static1800]

I have the full article from Golf+ on this car, insane piece of engineering. He actually had a Rallye with this gear in that had about 440hp and was doing 11's decided it wasn't quick enough so put it all in the mk1 and tuned it all more I like his style...

[velly_16v_cab]

mk 2 (2 door) syncro with a worked 20VT.

problem solved.

afew of them around in the uk