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Thread: It Begins: The S3 1.8T into my '85 Mk2 GTI

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    Ok, I run the 20VT Engine on the scirocco on the QPEng system and I had untold problems with running rich till I set it up.

    I have played these games before and so when I sent off the loom etc to qpeng I also got Ben to buy me the sensors and pump that he knows work well with the system.

    The fuel pump he supplied is a standard GTI pump from a KJET MK1 GTI!!!!!!!!
    This has massively higher pressure than a digi or VR6 pump and is moving a much larger quantity of fuel.

    I agree with Gavin that the pump flow not the pressure is the problem. Your pump flows enough to cope with not boosted driving, but when the turbo demands more fuel, it cant deliver. I just have a lifter pump in the tank, standard and same as your Mk2 pump, then the main kjet pump and a 3 bar vw FPR. By slowly increasing the revs you are making the miss and leanness less obvious.

    Try the N75 valve as it is easy to fit and test, but I reckon your main pump is not up to the job.

    Also would be good to get someone else to chack the timing. Fresh pair of eyes
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    The more I think about it, the more I think it is fuel delivery.

    I have a few brand new kjet pumps here. Hit me up if you cant get one closer.
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    Hmmm. Thanks for that Loonster.

    Problem is the old mk2 tank is long gone as i've put in the mk3 tank for the vr pump!
    I've also deleted the accumulator/reservoir.

    So why would the qpeng guys say that the VR6 pump would be fine when I told them???
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    Hang on, if I just leave the VR6 pump there as a lift pump, and add the k-jet pump to where the accumulator used to be it should work ok yes?

    Is that k-jet pump a stand alone unit that i can just add in to the supply line?

    Cheers,
    wade
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    if they reckon the VR pump is fine, would a swirl pot help for when it hits' boost?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred View Post
    if they reckon the VR pump is fine, would a swirl pot help for when it hits' boost?
    Swirl pot? Sorry, I dunno what ya mean...
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    Surge tank is perhaps what he means??

    I assumed that you were running a full S3 fuelling setup. Ie, S3 fuel pump, pressure reg, lines, etc etc. But if you're not then what loon said stands to reason, I guess (not being a mechanic I honestly dont know).
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    man just spend the $200 and get a bosch 044 motorsport pump, that should give you all the fuel you need
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    I am going down the mega fuel pump route yes. I didn't put the whole S3 fuel setup in because according to my research all accounts claimed the VR6 pump and standard mk2 lines are totally adequate for the job.

    I'm going to test out the k-jet pump from Grant and see what happens and take it from there.

    Cheers
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    In the meantime, I did a few little jobs the other week. The front steel heater pipe was leaking water where it goes to the block on the front.
    Check the old o-ring!!!


    Then I took out the rad and mounted up a fan while i was at it.




    I also put it up on sarah's grandads hoist and put some new Lemfoerder top mounts in to stop the rattle.
    The old mounts were pretty shot and the bearings had totally collapsed!
    It stopped the rattle for about a day but its back now There may be a washer missing... I took some pics on my phone but they look crap.
    -1990 Mk2 GTI 5-door with AMK 20vt (260hp @ wheels)
    -Arrow/Rotax 125 TAG X1E Go Kart

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