Tigger73's Scirocco R

[Dutch77]

I'd be buying it for the V8, they are shaping up as good buying second hand - the magic number seems to be about $50k for a 2017 with minimal mileage, or as you said low to mid $40k for the earlier 2015-2016 cars.

My thought process shall continue.

[Sharkie]

I'd be buying it for the V8, they are shaping up as good buying second hand - the magic number seems to be about $50k for a 2017 with minimal mileage, or as you said low to mid $40k for the earlier 2015-2016 cars.

My thought process shall continue.

Like all cars, the Mustang has had a couple of teething problems for the Aus market given its the 1st RHD Mustang ever built in the factory.

The early cars 2015 up to mid 2016 has the Sync 2 radio system which is clunky to use and slow. From mid 2016 onwards Sync 3 came out (still current today) and is actually pretty good.

The biggest issue is that due to the RHD build the headers are different to the LHD cars, which means you cannot simply buy headers (and there is 30kw to be found in good headers) from the USA. What this also means is that the oil cooler (oil/water cooler) sits close to the RH header and in the early models 2015 to mid 2016, this lead to failures of the welds leading to burst coolers, leading shortly thereafter to total engine failure. From late 2016 onwards upgraded oil coolers were fitted by the factory and is available a free refit to older cars (like a recall but quietly ). Aftermarket oil cooler solutions are available that totally removes this as an issue and I plan to fit 1 soon even though I have a Feb 2017 build (on my son's birthday actually) car.

So if you are shopping early cars, ask if the cooler has been replaced (or even the engine, which is done under warranty no questions asked), otherwise look at cars built from about Oct 2016 onwards.

It looks like the Mustangs are holding their value much better than the Golf R secondhand. For cars that cost the same new (more or less) the difference 2nd hand looks like at least $10,000 on average.

[Whatsisname]

Lack of traction in a powerful RWD platform is fun for a little while but the novelty factor wears as quickly as the rear tyres do. I speak from years of experience. The Racelogic TC and LC was the best upgrade I've made to my R33 in recent years. The car has all the suspension upgrades, Nismo GT-Pro differential, and 265/35/18 AO50 semi-slicks. With the Racelogic off there is no point trying to use full throttle below 4th gear. With it on the car is transformed from untamed animal to almost completely controllable.

[Lucas_R]

Lack of traction in a powerful RWD platform is fun for a little while but the novelty factor wears as quickly as the rear tyres do. I speak from years of experience. The Racelogic TC and LC was the best upgrade I've made to my R33 in recent years. The car has all the suspension upgrades, Nismo GT-Pro differential, and 265/35/18 AO50 semi-slicks. With the Racelogic off there is no point trying to use full throttle below 4th gear. With it on the car is transformed from untamed animal to almost completely controllable.

550rwkw in a car that was never intended to have anywhere near that much power will always its drawbacks in regards to traction. Also being a relatively old platform it would not have even had a factory traction control built into the ecu. Im sure the Racelogic has transformed the way the car drives in low gears.

My Lexus IS-F only has 265kw atw but with grippy 275 wide tyres on the rear and a relatively sophisticated traction control system (plus factory LSD) it gets off the line swiftly and consistently each time. It would be interesting to see how the factory traction control would cope if i added another 150-150rwkw with a supercharger or turbo kit.

[Whatsisname]

I have upgraded absolutely everything with the aim of making the car driveable and maximizing grip. It has the works. I can open the throttle in 2nd at 60km/h and the RL does it's thing (plus diff' and suspension and Yokohama AO50s etc) and it will put as much power down as the surface permits.

Decent semi-slicks certainly help. The AR1s and LCAs made a huge difference to my Roc.

The linear power delivery of the IS-F's 5.0L is certainly more conducive to maintaining traction.

[Lucas_R]

I have upgraded absolutely everything with the aim of making the car driveable and maximizing grip. It has the works. I can open the throttle in 2nd at 60km/h and the RL does it's thing (plus diff' and suspension and Yokohama AO50s etc) and it will put as much power down as the surface permits.

Decent semi-slicks certainly help. The AR1s and LCAs made a huge difference to my Roc.

The linear power delivery of the IS-F's 5.0L is certainly more conducive to maintaining traction.

True - your car probably goes from 200kw to 500kw in the space of 2,000rpm once the turbo comes on.

[Whatsisname]

True - your car probably goes from 200kw to 500kw in the space of 2,000rpm once the turbo comes on.

Torque delivery isn't quite as linear as it was standard. It produces a true 350Nm of engine torque at 3200rpm and almost 1000Nm at 4700rpm. YouTube

One of the guys at work owns an IS-F and my brother in law had an IS350 F-Sport. Nice cars. Yours sounds fantastic with the X-Force exhaust system.

My humble apologies to Dutch for hijacking the thread. For what it's worth, I like all the options on your extended short list. It's a shame the new RS300 isn't as rewarding to drive as the older RS275, RS265. A decent RS275 Trophy with all the upgrades is so much fun and very easy to drive on the limit.

[Dutch77]

Haha no apologies needed - I hijacked tigger73's old Roc thread originally.

Mrs Dutch is not sold on the Mustang, I'm still trying to find out why - as I certainly am. Although as an old GM guy I am still tempted by a bogan 'Dore on the basis I don't give a stuff what others think anymore, I am just there to enjoy the drive and eight cylinders.

Can't say I have totally ruled out the IS-F either - just a lot less to choose from.

Speaking to some dealers on both an RS5 and M3 as well.

And a couple of ED40s.

I do dig the look of the new Renaults - they've nailed what a car should look like with some Euro aggression, unlike say a certain H car.

Yep, still the weirdest shop list ever.

[Dutch77]

Like all cars, the Mustang has had a couple of teething problems for the Aus market given its the 1st RHD Mustang ever built in the factory.

The early cars 2015 up to mid 2016 has the Sync 2 radio system which is clunky to use and slow. From mid 2016 onwards Sync 3 came out (still current today) and is actually pretty good.

The biggest issue is that due to the RHD build the headers are different to the LHD cars, which means you cannot simply buy headers (and there is 30kw to be found in good headers) from the USA. What this also means is that the oil cooler (oil/water cooler) sits close to the RH header and in the early models 2015 to mid 2016, this lead to failures of the welds leading to burst coolers, leading shortly thereafter to total engine failure. From late 2016 onwards upgraded oil coolers were fitted by the factory and is available a free refit to older cars (like a recall but quietly ). Aftermarket oil cooler solutions are available that totally removes this as an issue and I plan to fit 1 soon even though I have a Feb 2017 build (on my son's birthday actually) car.

So if you are shopping early cars, ask if the cooler has been replaced (or even the engine, which is done under warranty no questions asked), otherwise look at cars built from about Oct 2016 onwards.

It looks like the Mustangs are holding their value much better than the Golf R secondhand. For cars that cost the same new (more or less) the difference 2nd hand looks like at least $10,000 on average.

Thanks for the heads up Sharkie.

I knew I'd read there was one potentially 'terminal' issue on the early cars but also that Ford were generally happy to come to the party to rectify the issue.

I'm still keen to keep it on the list.

As for Golf R resale, no arguments from me - the VW stuff generally has horrible resale unless you get lucky with a buyer or hold really long term.. but that's the price I am willing to pay to avoid driving a Fridge.

[tigger73]

Haha no apologies needed - I hijacked tigger73's old Roc thread originally.

No problems this thread has been completely trashed but luckily I sold my Scirocco first. I’m not sure which is worse.

Mrs Dutch is not sold on the Mustang, I'm still trying to find out why - as I certainly am. Although as an old GM guy I am still tempted by a bogan 'Dore on the basis I don't give a stuff what others think anymore, I am just there to enjoy the drive and eight cylinders.

Mrs Dutch is just being a badge snob now - just like Mrs Tigger and Mrs Lucas_R...

Can't say I have totally ruled out the IS-F either - just a lot less to choose from.

I’m still not convinced of the stacked exhausts as a design element.

Speaking to some dealers on both an RS5 and M3 as well.

Too much for a decent one unless you find a very motivated seller.

And a couple of ED40s.

I do dig the look of the new Renaults - they've nailed what a car should look like with some Euro aggression, unlike say a certain H car.

Yep, still the weirdest shop list ever.

Saw an ED40 the other day and they look good. Also relatively collectible as people will look for these later as opposed to some Wolfsburg model with fake carbon look plastic seats.


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