Hot hatch or sports coupe?

[Mac135]

A question that pertains to nothing important.......

VW promote the roc as a sports coupe which in my mind means its competitors are along the lines of the Alfa Brera, 1 series coupes, Mazda RX8, audi TT, Nissan 370 and so on.

Yet most reviews/reviewers refer to it as a hot hatch - meaning the Audi S3, volvo C30, golf r etc are its competitors.

In your opinion which is it - hot hatch or sports coupe?

What car did you consider as an alternative to the Roc?

For me i think of it as a sports coupe. Alternatives merc C class coupe or hanging on the 135i.

(yes i haven't mentioned the Megane. For me its also a sports coupe but wasn't a car i considered)

[tee_off]

I'd call it hot hatch. Alternatives would be Megane 250 Cup, Focus RS, stuff like that

[Bain]

Id consider it a hot hatch over a sports coupe.

My definition is that you can actually fit people comfortably in the back seats of a hot hatch. The same cant be said for a sports coupe.

[Andych]

You can't consider it a Hot Hatch... they were by definition a Hot version of the normal Mum and Dad Hatch... ie Golf GTI, Golf R, Focus XR5, Focus RS etc... The Scirocco is a Coupe body... it does not share its bodywork with any mundane Mum and Dad model... the fact that it can carry 4 adults in reasonable comfort is testament to efficient packaging and overall size... nothing more.

You can see that when look at a Golf R next to a Scirocco.. as below.



As for competitors... well you could if you wanted compare the Roc to an Aston DB9 as they are both Sports Coupes but the reality is you need to look at the Class of the car not just the style description... and as such the Megane 250 is the most obvious competitor...

Everyone will have there own take on it all... at the end of the day it doesn't matter..

I am more than happy with my Roc.. although if someone wants to swap their DB9 I would consider it...

[Bain]

You can't consider it a Hot Hatch... they were by definition a Hot version of the normal Mum and Dad Hatch... ie Golf GTI, Golf R, Focus XR5, Focus RS etc... The Scirocco is a Coupe body... it does not share its bodywork with any mundane Mum and Dad model... the fact that it can carry 4 adults in reasonable comfort is testament to efficient packaging and overall size... nothing more.

The Scirocco R shares its body with the mundane models (Scirocco and GT). There are 6 different engine types (both diesel and petrol) for this vehicle as well as a myriad of choices for trim and fit out.

Here in Aus we dont get the choice but if you could i bet wed see an awful lot of base model Scirocco's out there.

I think we are all talking about the same thing really, you could put it into either class and it would suit.

[Andych]

The Scirocco R shares its body with the mundane models (Scirocco and GT). There are 6 different engine types (both diesel and petrol) for this vehicle as well as a myriad of choices for trim and fit out.

Here in Aus we dont get the choice but if you could i bet wed see an awful lot of base model Scirocco's out there.

I think we are all talking about the same thing really, you could put it into either class and it would suit.

They are far from Mundane... the Euro market is vastly different to here with varying levels of tax etc based on engine size and fuel type... it is still a Sports Coupe and not a Mum and Dad run-about Hatchback...

[Ryan_R]

Looks more like a coupe (i.e. like a Brera) to me, but the tailgate is a hatch, so....

[Diesel_vert]

Put simply, a hatchback has a tailgate or liftgate hinged at the top of the C-pillar (as opposed to a wagon, which is hinged at the D-pillar).

A coupe typically has a boot lid which is hinged at the bottom of the C-pillar (BMW 1-Series M), or that the top of the C-pillar is positioned so far from the rear that it can be considered a coupe (Audi TT).

Therefore, the Scirocco is technically a hatchback.

However, to make people think it looks like a coupe while still being as practical as a hatchback was the probably whole point of the design brief, which I think they have pulled off quite successfully, and is certainly a credit to the designers in that regard.


And finally, the actual performance of a vehicle doesn't change the classification of its body type. For example, you can have a slow coupe, or a fast station wagon, etc.

[Andych]

Looks more like a coupe (i.e. like a Brera) to me, but the tailgate is a hatch, so....

The tailgate is more like a window than a hatch...

As far as I am concerned... my Scirocco R is a Sports Coupe... lol

[AdamD]

A coupe typically has a boot lid which is hinged at the bottom of the C-pillar (BMW 1-Series M), or that the top of the C-pillar is positioned so far from the rear that it can be considered a coupe (Audi TT).

The TT style used to be referred to as a Liftback, but you don't hear that term used much these days.

IMO, both terms (sports coupe, hot hatchback) are equally applicable to the Scirocco, so it's up to owner's discretion.