Whats the big deal about VR6's?

The Seater · 13-02-2006, 08:14 PM

Don't mind the stickers. A lot of people take them off, so I want to leave them on. Plus the bright white would be too much, needs something to offset it.

Probably sidetracking here a bit from the MK3 and MK4 discussions, however:
I acknowledge that the VW group of cars are probably the safest and nicest front wheel drivers; but rear wheel drive is great fun in the wet and sublime in the dry. Nothing is more embarrassing than when you're trying to take off moderately quick or fast and break into silly amounts of wheel spin, while a lower powered (eg. my old 1.8ltr MX5) rear wheel driver will simply take off, have proved this against a Golf GTi 16v. To have the steering wheel trying to be ripped out of your hands when traction control cuts in and the front of the car is dancing all over the road; it looks silly, feels silly and is uncomfortable. SO, I don't do this out of desire but sometimes neccessity to beat traffic etc.
Understeer and torque steer greatly annoy me. Front wheel drive is great for little and low powered cars, but I believe there is no point in having a high powered front wheel drive car. It's simply awful.

Golfwise · 14-02-2006, 10:36 AM

I got the specs from a road test from 90s VW mag for Tassiegti.
I'd print them up for those who don't believe but a little research would find them anyhow.
A Seat will never be a Golf anyway so who cares really and front drive will never be rear drive so make your own choice there.

**ausgolfer** · 14-02-2006, 09:52 PM

I'd like to see those specs, and still no word of what gear the acceleration is measured in? Because it's hard to believe that 30-50mph takes almost as long as 0-100km/hr.
Cheers.

**WABIT** · 15-02-2006, 08:45 PM

OMG THEY ARE 2 DIFFRENT CARS!! WITH DIFFRENT SPECS

compare a VW 2lt witha SEAT 2lt OOHHH WAIT THEIR THE SAME ENGINE

8V 16V... SAME SAME!! (wog accent)

wabit

The Seater · 16-02-2006, 03:08 PM

Yes WABIT, they are two different cars. That's why we're comparing them. It hardly makes sense to compare two identical cars.
As Ausgolfer said, "I'd like to see those specs, and still no word of what gear the acceleration is measured in? Because it's hard to believe that 30-50mph takes almost as long as 0-100km/hr."

**lyle-act** · 17-02-2006, 08:00 AM

You obviously havn't driven a VR6 very long Seater. After driving one for several years, i can tell you that they are alot better handling than you think. You just have to learn how to drive it properly

**vee_dub** · 17-02-2006, 01:00 PM

mmmmh dont worry everyone got opinion....

seater may not get used to driving a heavier car...!!

The Seater · 17-02-2006, 07:16 PM

Please enlighten me as to how you need to drive a VR6 to enjoy what it has to offer? How differently you would drive a VR6 compared to something like my Cupra, a Golf 16v or any other hot hatch for entertainment value.
I like the VR6 for their nice sounding engine and pleasent looks. I nearlly bought one on engine note alone. But dynamically they are a pig of a car, and it really put me off (high fuel consumption also). I have driven enough of them for long enough to know. VW knew this and that's why they brought in the 4motion. I have been in an R32 and dynamically thanks to their 4WD they are far superior car. Thats a car that can handle the extra weight and power.

The VR6 is nice family transport but its no hot hatch.

PS: As I previously mentioned, I used to drive a Mercedes which was a very heavy car, I got very used to it. Grew tired of it.

**V8quattro** · 18-02-2006, 12:16 PM

It's well known the VR6 suspension spec was changed during its time on sale here. Some VR6s handled better than others. It was a bit of a lead tipped arrow at the very limit, but then I don't agree that it's a pig of a car - it's all how you set up to corner the thing; set up early in a VR6 and I reckon they are quick and agile.
I've driven the Cupra when new, and I thought the quality was very ordinary, the 16v really lacked torque and while it handled quite well it was not as agile or tactile as I hoped it would be. Don't get me wrong -I like the Cupra and personally have thought of buying one, but I like torque and power, not just high-revving power. And it really felt cheap and had lots of rattles compared to other VAG products of the time. Harsh ride, too. VR6 was not perfect, but as a new car more accomplished than the Cupra. Having said that, the point of this thread is a bit lost on me because they were not cars in the same size or price class anyway. While as usedcars they may sell for similar prices, they still are very different in philosophy.