8v vs 16v

[Golf Loon]

Just slam in a 1.8t wouldn't cost alot more than a fan dangle 16v either...

You are an idiot if you believe this.

The 20VT engines are more to buy and will need a $2500 minimum aftermarket computer to run.
If you got an ABF 16v and loom and ecu, its plug and play into a Mk3 and would cost less than half.
You wouldnt go as fast as a 20V, but you would spend a lot less.

Perhaps if you spent less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, you might know what you are talking about.

[Bug_racer]

I picked up a whole mk4 gti wreck over 2years ago for $5k . Im sure you could get one for less today . You dont need to run an aftermarket computer , you can use the standard wiring harness , if its a mk1 or 2 it would make sense to swap the gearbox as well and also the dash .
A 16V maybe cheaper , but reality is , these are old engines now , and the price to install a 16V to get that 110 or so KW you could modify the 8V , and if you want power your better off doing the 1.8t conversion .

Thats my 2c

[Jarred]

so then which is the best 16v? i mean all things considered, ie. including mild headwork and a mild road cam. also, is it possible to mechanically turbocharge k-jet?

It's possible, but you need the K-jet off a porsche 933 era 911 turbo to do it. Practically, it'd be cheaper to go aftermarket and probably more beneficial too, something like a Mircotech LXT8 should do the trick.

[aliasmk2]

It's possible, but you need the K-jet off a porsche 933 era 911 turbo to do it. Practically, it'd be cheaper to go aftermarket and possibly more beneficial too, something like a Mircotech LXT8 should do the trick.

SAAB is another company that used k-basic 0n turbo motors, only until they could come up with something better
Its only viable to keep k-jet running on 2nd parts (all at least 20 yrs old), as it costs around $1500 to reco a system & a lot more using new parts if you can still get them

[jayjay]

how about volvo? you know peter jones' set up with his DIY cold air intake? apparently he used a volvo airbox, and theoretically, couldn't i run a turbo without a computer?

or am i just talking out of my ass? thanks for input though guys

[Golf Houso]

You are an idiot if you believe this.

The 20VT engines are more to buy and will need a $2500 minimum aftermarket computer to run.
If you got an ABF 16v and loom and ecu, its plug and play into a Mk3 and would cost less than half.
You wouldnt go as fast as a 20V, but you would spend a lot less.

Perhaps if you spent less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, you might know what you are talking about.

Note the ALOT more, as you probably know is a very subjective word and I never meant it in terms of 100's of $'s, but rather in 1000's $'s. Considering you recently put a 1.8T in an Ibiza over a matter of days and had to road registered, even retrofitting the loom to fit the dash. I doubt it would have costed anywhere near much as if I were to do it, but it was done by you, and done in a rather short period of time and for next to nothing I'd imagine being a wrecker.

So yeah maybe I should spend less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, and then I might know what I am talking about

[Jarred]

how about volvo? you know peter jones' set up with his DIY cold air intake? apparently he used a volvo airbox, and theoretically, couldn't i run a turbo without a computer?

or am i just talking out of my ass? thanks for input though guys

NO! you can't just turbo K-jet.

pete's done the volvo airflap mod, like many others do. It's a larger airflap/airbox that flows more (basically) thats what the mod is. and you can't just whack a turbo on it.

Yes you can run a turbo without a computer as such, but that would be using a carb. If you're serious about turbo'ing, save your pennies and go standalone engine mangament and ditch the K-jet. Not worth the hassle imo

Sorry for OT.

[Golf Loon]

Note the ALOT more, as you probably know is a very subjective word and I never meant it in terms of 100's of $'s, but rather in 1000's $'s. Considering you recently put a 1.8T in an Ibiza over a matter of days and had to road registered, even retrofitting the loom to fit the dash. I doubt it would have costed anywhere near much as if I were to do it, but it was done by you, and done in a rather short period of time and for next to nothing I'd imagine being a wrecker.

So yeah maybe I should spend less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, and then I might know what I am talking about

LOL less talking more listening for you Houso. It took a lot longer than that to build the 20VT Ibiza. That was with a complete donor car which was already running aftermarket fuel computer, so really just had to be plug and play.

That took me, an experienced industry professional a fair while. To those of you talking hot air and theorising about doing such a job at home. Good Luck.

It still costs lots of money wheteher I do it or you do it at home.
I can do it faster as I have a workshop and facilities and knowledge, but you will have lots of dramas to overcome and that will cost you time and money.

Jay Jay. There were Turbo Technics conversions back in the day which used the kjet setup. And yes you can push more fuel into a NA setup using Volvoparts. Early Saabs also used Kjet, but I never had much luck getting those parts to work on VW. Volvos yes.

Audi 200T used kjet, Turbo and 5cylinder. Look it up. In the US they cut the 5th cylinder part off the manifold and use only 4 of the lines and bolt it onto your 4cylinder motor.

Easiest upgrade for your car Jay Jay would be a 16v, as yours is one of the few Mk2 running Kjet. Plug and Play for you mate

[Golf Loon]

NO! you can't just turbo K-jet.

Yes you can.
Google Kjet and Turbo Technics.
Here is a thread with pics
http://vagdrivers.net/forums/index.p...0&#entry164473

[Golf Houso]

LOL less talking more listening for you Houso. It took a lot longer than that to build the 20VT Ibiza. That was with a complete donor car which was already running aftermarket fuel computer, so really just had to be plug and play.

That took me, an experienced industry professional a fair while. To those of you talking hot air and theorising about doing such a job at home. Good Luck.

It still costs lots of money wheteher I do it or you do it at home.
I can do it faster as I have a workshop and facilities and knowledge, but you will have lots of dramas to overcome and that will cost you time and money.

Jay Jay. There were Turbo Technics conversions back in the day which used the kjet setup. And yes you can push more fuel into a NA setup using Volvoparts. Early Saabs also used Kjet, but I never had much luck getting those parts to work on VW. Volvos yes.

Audi 200T used kjet, Turbo and 5cylinder. Look it up. In the US they cut the 5th cylinder part off the manifold and use only 4 of the lines and bolt it onto your 4cylinder motor.

Easiest upgrade for your car Jay Jay would be a 16v, as yours is one of the few Mk2 running Kjet. Plug and Play for you mate

so what was the time and cost then?