Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Transporter]

Ladies, please check before posting another new gossip thread. The 2 above posts were merged into this thread.

Thanks Sunny43.5

[Sunny43.5]

Thanks Transporter I thought the same thing when I saw the post .

[sVWatt]

Awesome. Hadn’t made the connection to read this thread.
What’s the story going forward...are VW intending on refurbishing these cars, or crushing them?

[Sunny43.5]

To be honest I don't think that has been adressed at this stage by VW US , seems as some have posted they maybe resold into other markets where emmision rules are not as stringent as the US or broken up for parts . Seems crazy for a perfectly to car to end up that way , when you think about it why not address the cheat technology with as it seems a computer upgrade and then resell them with a caviet that the fix has been done and they can't come back later and complain . Would make more sense to sell them for an amount more than wrecking value etc .

[Transporter]

To be honest I don't think that has been adressed at this stage by VW US , seems as some have posted they maybe resold into other markets where emmision rules are not as stringent as the US or broken up for parts . Seems crazy for a perfectly to car to end up that way , when you think about it why not address the cheat technology with as it seems a computer upgrade and then resell them with a caviet that the fix has been done and they can't come back later and complain . Would make more sense to sell them for an amount more than wrecking value etc .

It’s the US thing, many won’t understand incl. me.
Look at their other laws which is responsible almost every week for many deaths of young students and it seems to me they put profits and personal gains first. Weird, yeah?

[gldgti]

Theres a pretty decent documentary on NitFlux on the dieselgate scandal in the US - the show is called Dirty Money, and the episode is called "Hard Nox". Worth a watch, its pretty interesting.

Apparently, the boughtback cars can be fixed and resold (much talk of this with regard to affected Touaregs over on Clubtouareg), or they can be destroyed. The holding yards I suppose are where they sit while potential buyers are found for them, or not.

The show gives a great insight into why the scandal was such a big deal in the US - when you see the advertising that VWOA were running prior, theres a huge emphasis on clean diesel credentials that we just never saw here in advertising. Also, the way VW handled the whole thing was so preposterously bad that its little wonder the authorities were so outraged.

[gldgti]

People ARE buying FIXED vehicles. Its happenning. Its just that VW are having trouble selling them. Little wonder.

[gldgti]

It sounds like a perfect storm situation, say there are 500,000 at a cost of $15,000 so about $7.5 billion .
Add in the cost of storage, say $1,000/car/year equals about $500 million.
Now the issue arises , fix costing say $1000 and sell at a super cheap price of say $3-6,000.
But then you flood the market and don’t sell anywhere near as many new models and also risk another lawsuit for massive depreciation on post 2015 models!

They're selling Touaregs at about 10-15k off the sticker price last i read.... thats about 15-20% discount only.

[dero]

I've received a phone call from VW asking if I wanted to get my car "fixed".

Said no because I still am unsure whether the fix will result in a higher fuel use and power output being reduced. Logically I think it would because the mathematics dictate that running the cylinder less lean means more fuel use.

[doc_777]

Diesel engines are very linear in their conversion of fuel to bang. More fuel, more bang - so long as you can keep the air up to it. (Unlike petrol, where more fuel reaches a point where the engine starts to ‘flood’ or cool the combustion process too far and reduce power)

‘More fuel, less power’ is not the way a Diesel engine - particularly a forced induction one - works.