Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[feenix74]

I am a life-long VW-owner. I still have my Dragon Green 97 Golf that I waited for 4 months to be built and shipped from the Wolfburg factory for me. I have only ever owned VWs and my fleet is now up to four. However, based on the behaviour of VAG in both the dieselgate and the loss of engine power resulting in the death of the young lady in Melbourne, I feel like I am fighting a loosing battle at home against my wife who is insisting that our next car not be a VW because she has lost all faith and trust in VW.

[Dutch77]

I guess you could always give her the facts? ie. there was no fault with her car and instead cause of death may have been due to phone distraction? (as per coroner's report).

As Amalgam said, they all cheat and game the system. I agree this is a potentially bad case of it, but damn I'd still rather have a diesel that doesn't comply in some parts of the world with emissions than say the Toyota acceleration issues that were reportedly responsible for 37 deaths that were covered up.

Each to their own I guess.

[VW Convert]

I am a life-long VW-owner. I still have my Dragon Green 97 Golf that I waited for 4 months to be built and shipped from the Wolfburg factory for me. I have only ever owned VWs and my fleet is now up to four. However, based on the behaviour of VAG in both the dieselgate and the loss of engine power resulting in the death of the young lady in Melbourne, I feel like I am fighting a loosing battle at home against my wife who is insisting that our next car not be a VW because she has lost all faith and trust in VW.

You should get a copy of the coroners report and show it to your wife. The woman died when a truck ran into the back of her car, even had she braked, the truck should have been able to avoid running into her. The coroner found no evidence of fault on VW's behalf but the media here never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


Cheers

George

[feenix74]

I have tried the facts. She is driving the 07 Golf TDI at the moment and she loves it. However, when we discuss future car options, she flatout says she does not trust VW - more the hubris and arrogance of senior management and their handling of the problems than any specific problem with the VW engineering. I am a civil engineer by trade so I can rationally reason out any specific engineering concerns with her but I cannot give her a rational argument to counter the hubris and arrogance.

To me it is indicative that VW is loosing the "hearts and minds" campaign in how they are dealing with dieselgate and other previous issues (DSG, engine power loss, etc) here in Australia. It won't affect us die-hard VW fanatics but it will turn away potential VW owners.

[VW Convert]

I have tried the facts.

Silly me, I forgot it's a woman we are dealing with! LOL

She is driving the 07 Golf TDI at the moment and she loves it. However, when we discuss future car options, she flatout says she does not trust VW - more the hubris and arrogance of senior management and their handling of the problems than any specific problem with the VW engineering.

So she's looking to buy of a manufacturer with integrity? Let us know when she finds one, I think this may be difficult, they all seem to have skeletons in the closet, just that VAG's skeletons have been exposed most recently.

Cheers

George

[feenix74]

Silly me, I forgot it's a woman we are dealing with! LOL

Yes . . . I love her and I married her because she is one of the most reasonable and logical ones I could find . . .

So she's looking to buy of a manufacturer with integrity? Let us know when she finds one, I think this may be difficult, they all seem to have skeletons in the closet, just that VAG's skeletons have been exposed most recently.

Cheers

George

Fully agree with you there. I come from a Toyota family and she comes from a Honda family. If our next car is not a VW then we will probably end up with a Toyota (the Lexus accelerator issues, IED airbags and other safety recalls have not register in my wife's sub-conscious yet) or a Hyundai

[Amalgam]

"she flatout says she does not trust VW - more the hubris and arrogance of senior management and their handling of the problems than any specific problem with the VW engineering. "


And in that one sentence lies the crystal clear crux of the VAG problem.

[VW Convert]

Yes . . . I love her and I married her because she is one of the most reasonable and logical ones I could find . . .

Female, reasonable and logical, that does not compute!

Fully agree with you there. I come from a Toyota family and she comes from a Honda family. If our next car is not a VW then we will probably end up with a Toyota (the Lexus accelerator issues, IED airbags and other safety recalls have not register in my wife's sub-conscious yet) or a Hyundai

So if corporate misbehaviour is a key element in the decision making process, we can come to the following conclusions:-

VW are out due to dieselgate.

Toyota are out due to denying there was an issue with the accelerator whilst concealing documents that proved the accelerator pedal assembly was defective. Fatalities involved.

Honda are out as they continued fitting Takata airbags for years knowing they were defective and there are still millions of unrectified vehicles around. Fatalities involved.

Ford are out as they knew of the issue with Pinto fuel tanks before the car went into production, they devised a fix but did not implement it because it would cost $11.00 per vehicle to implement. 27 Fatalities involved and just one of a number of Ford scandals.

Anything GM is out due to fact that they knew of the potentially life threatening ignition switch problem in the Chevy Cobalt and covered it up for years before rectifying it. 124 fatalities involved and just one of a number of GM scandals.

Hyundai is out due to the bribery scandal of 2006.

Mitsubishi is out due to the just revealed fuel consumption figures scandal.

Your choice is becoming severely limited, perhaps a Merc.............oh wait, weren't they fined $US 185 million back in 2010 for bribery?

I'm sure if you went digging, you could come up with dirt on pretty well any automotive manufacturer, none of them are as pure as the driven snow.

Cheers

George

[feenix74]

Female, reasonable and logical, that does not compute!

My wife tells me that she was a bit of a tomboy when she was young and she does not have many "girlfriends".

Also, my father-in-law is an retired Detective Sargeant and taught her to drive the way the police were taught to drive.

So if corporate misbehaviour is a key element in the decision making process, we can come to the following conclusions:-

VW are out due to dieselgate.

Toyota are out due to denying there was an issue with the accelerator whilst concealing documents that proved the accelerator pedal assembly was defective. Fatalities involved.

Honda are out as they continued fitting Takata airbags for years knowing they were defective and there are still millions of unrectified vehicles around. Fatalities involved.

Ford are out as they knew of the issue with Pinto fuel tanks before the car went into production, they devised a fix but did not implement it because it would cost $11.00 per vehicle to implement. 27 Fatalities involved and just one of a number of Ford scandals.

Anything GM is out due to fact that they knew of the potentially life threatening ignition switch problem in the Chevy Cobalt and covered it up for years before rectifying it. 124 fatalities involved and just one of a number of GM scandals.

Hyundai is out due to the bribery scandal of 2006.

Mitsubishi is out due to the just revealed fuel consumption figures scandal.

Your choice is becoming severely limited, perhaps a Merc.............oh wait, weren't they fined $US 185 million back in 2010 for bribery?

I'm sure if you went digging, you could come up with dirt on pretty well any automotive manufacturer, none of them are as pure as the driven snow.

Cheers

George

Tesla?

[VW Convert]

My wife tells me that she was a bit of a tomboy when she was young and she does not have many "girlfriends".

Also, my father-in-law is an retired Detective Sargeant and taught her to drive the way the police were taught to drive.





Tesla?

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