Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Cossor]

Coz nobody pulled them up on it... Look into the investigation and you'll read that those in VW who knew about the cheat didn't alert those who would do something about it.

PS - The plastic mesh creates a laminar air flow (straightens the flow over the MAF sensor) to get a more accurate reading at different loads / engine speeds / air temperature etc. This will work with the new software map to increase the amount of fuel injected in some circumstances, alter the timing of the injection to keep the temperature lower, and use more EGR

I wonder if the same technique is being used on current Euro 6 diesels?
But hey, if measurement of air temp is so critical what happens if driving in Darwin summertime, then later At Thredbo in winter? Can the software map cope with such dramatic changes?
Or, for that matter, New York in winter and Texas in summer

[Bayman]

This is an interesting point.



Have Maurice Blackburn given any more detail on how they would anticipate this panning out?

Cheers

George

With some knowledge of other class actions, I'd say MB would have claimants in categories and if any pool of money was obtained, the slicing of the cake would sort who gets what. So I would guess the older the vehicle the less they could claim in terms of resale value loss. I dare say MB could claim our time value in returning the vehicle for the software patch as it is a repair of a fraudulent nature not an engineering unforeseen error. This is where MB will charge each and everyone a fee (from the courts compensation won)to administer the disbursements. Whether as retaining MB as lawyers is over and above a court ruling on VWA to compensate all VW owners is another thing.

Today's news that VWG have not organised any response is just typical that the company is not really treating these class actions with any seriousness, so the ACCC and the Federal Courts may well stick the boot in next round in December.

[Eaglen00b]

This is an interesting point.

I'm fairly sure I saw the figure of $10,000 per vehicle mentioned as being the amount being claimed. Of course this is a starting point only, but one would have to think that a fixed amount per vehicle would be grossly unfair. An owner who drove a brand new $65,000 CC diesel out of the showroom the day before the issue became public must surely be wearing a significantly greater loss in terms of resale value than say the owner of a $25,000 (when new) 2008 Golf with 150,000 KM on the clock.

Have Maurice Blackburn given any more detail on how they would anticipate this panning out?

Cheers

George

IIRC BL are pursuing VW's Australian operations only, whereas MB are going after Volkswagen AG Deustchland as well as VW Aust. Not sure where you got the $10k figure from though....

Signed up today too. Sorry VW, I gotta look out for #1.

[Hillbilly]

This is an interesting point.

I'm fairly sure I saw the figure of $10,000 per vehicle mentioned as being the amount being claimed. Of course this is a starting point only, but one would have to think that a fixed amount per vehicle would be grossly unfair. An owner who drove a brand new $65,000 CC diesel out of the showroom the day before the issue became public must surely be wearing a significantly greater loss in terms of resale value than say the owner of a $25,000 (when new) 2008 Golf with 150,000 KM on the clock.

Have Maurice Blackburn given any more detail on how they would anticipate this panning out?

Cheers

George

Unless they have a crystal ball I dont think anyone does. May depend on whether the Judges corns are hurting or not if you get what I mean. MB are hopeful of a settlement but they would say that wouldnt they.

A long way to go and a lot of argy bargy before anything happens As I said $10,000 was a supposition from one of the 99% who have made them in this thread and others. Why would a lawyer make a public statement about such a low figure. With costs running into the millions they will be adding a fair few zeros on to that amount. Plus hitting VW up for their costs if we win.

Its wait and see and trust they know what they are doing Seems they are fairly successful at this type of claim.


Have just this minute received the Email from VW confirming the fixes already published It does also say no decrease of performance or increase in fuel consumption are expected

[Amalgam]

For the avoidance of doubt, let me state that I like my Passat 125TDI and plan to keep it several more years, I have not joined any class action, and I am unlikely to undertake any recall fix.

Coz nobody pulled them up on it...

I can think of at least 15 Billion reasons to implement a fix via a service bulletin.

Look into the investigation and you'll read that those in VW who knew about the cheat didn't alert those who would do something about it.

If you were a well paid engineer at a prestigious car company, would you seriously deploy any cheat device without approval from the not just your managers but from the very top, and risk

1/ a multi billion euro lawsuit ( let's face it your employer would come after you, not to reclaim damages because you are probably not a multi billionaire, but to redirect blame ).

2/ being permanently unemployable. The motor vehicle industry is a very small universe. What might be your chances of remaining employed at VAG or if you were lucky or smart enough to move to BMW, Daimler Benz, VM Motori et al after your cheat device was detected?

If you were the person ( engineer or manager or CEO ) who authorised the deployment of this cheat device, why wouldn't you insist upon / have the authority to push out the fix as a service bulletin? You might get away undetected with a few months production, especially if you push out the service bulletin as soon as a solution was available, but 7 years production of one of your top selling vehicle, from the second largest car manufacturer in the world, amounting to millions of cars is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette with ALL the chambers loaded.

...and use more EGR

And that is what I am worried about.

[Hillbilly]

For the avoidance of doubt, let me state that I like my Passat 125TDI and plan to keep it several more years, I have not joined any class action, and I am unlikely to undertake any recall fix.
I can think of at least 15 Billion reasons to implement a fix via a service bulletin.
If you were a well paid engineer at a prestigious car company, would you seriously deploy any cheat device without approval from the not just your managers but from the very top, and risk
1/ a multi billion euro lawsuit ( let's face it your employer would come after you, not to reclaim damages because you are probably not a multi billionaire, but to redirect blame ).
2/ being permanently unemployable. The motor vehicle industry is a very small universe. What might be your chances of remaining employed at VAG or if you were lucky or smart enough to move to BMW, Daimler Benz, VM Motori et al after your cheat device was detected?
If you were the person ( engineer or manager or CEO ) who authorised the deployment of this cheat device, why wouldn't you insist upon / have the authority to push out the fix as a service bulletin? You might get away undetected with a few months production, especially if you push out the service bulletin as soon as a solution was available, but 7 years production of one of your top selling vehicle, from the second largest car manufacturer in the world, amounting to millions of cars is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette with ALL the chambers loaded.
And that is what I am worried about.

Be alright till you sell it and the new owner says "Has it had the fix for emissions" May also not get a roadworthy without the recall sticker

[Amalgam]

Be alright till you sell it and the new owner says "Has it had the fix for emissions" May also not get a roadworthy without the recall sticker

True. As I have posted elsewhere, I will let others experiment with their cars first, and it will give the new owner the choice.

Here in the west, we don't have roadworthys and I believe that it is a voluntary recall in Oz.

[Hillbilly]

True. As I have posted elsewhere, I will let others experiment with their cars first, and it will give the new owner the choice.

Here in the west, we don't have roadworthys and I believe that it is a voluntary recall in Oz.

That must be why there are so many cars lying on the side of the road over there

[arcadelt]

Be alright till you sell it and the new owner says "Has it had the fix for emissions" May also not get a roadworthy without the recall sticker

I would have thought VW would have to offer the fix forever, irrespective of the age of the car, because no matter how good their recall and advertising process is, they will never catch everyone. Therefore, all you need do is get it serviced by a dealer on the last service after you decided to sell/trade it.

[Amalgam]

that must be why there are so many cars lying on the side of the road over there