Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[arcadelt]

If I go onto a landy forum there will be no person nitpicking a post about vehicle issues but there will be lots of solutions offered and suggestions of where to look. You have experienced mechanics saying XYZ will be worn faster if you change ABC and helping people as well as spreading the knowledge.
Why is it the opposite with this issue in VW land?

frantic, there are plenty of people offering advice on VWs similar to what you describe in other threads, and certainly on forums dedicated to air cooled VWs which have a longer history. I suspect no one is offering the advice you are after here is because very few people would want to conjecture while the issue is still bubbling along and, moreso, because that is not the topic of this area of the forum and especially this thread. If you asked some of your questions in the diesel area or the area specific to the model you are interested in, I bet lively discussions, such as the ones you have applauded in the Landy forum, would result.

[Rawcpoppa]

1.6L and 2.0L fix put forward by VW



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKN8danpIfE

[Bayman]

Tomorrow the 27th November is the last day I am advised to appoint Maurice Blackburn as Lawyers in joining their Class Action.
So much is unknown considering the so called fix now released being a mere software upgrade for the 2.0l Diesel engine. Based on this fix, it would be fair to say once the whole scenario has washed through the motor trade, will Class Action members be really out of pocket to the extent that they receive any compensation after any win in the courts. At the moment I have heard most if not all car dealers (excluding VW Group dealers) will not touch a VW Diesel for a trade in or offer SFA at the worst, so yes atm, there is a financial loss incurred.

Reading all the legal mumbo from Maurice Blackburn re the retainer, and with a lack of trust in lawyers for not ripping clients off, can anyone shed some light or have they had legal advice as to what to do, submit the retainer and join in?

[Amalgam]

1.6L and 2.0L fix put forward by VW



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKN8danpIfE

On another thread, I have called Shenanigans

A software update for the 2.0 and a AUD15 piece of plastic and software update for the 1.6 all engineered within 2 months, with the associated AUD15 Billion fines, lawsuits, drop in share price/market cap, and loss of integrity.

If it was so easy, why did it take 7 years??

I appreciate that sometimes a product isn't fully baked but need to be pushed out to meet a release date, but surely a simple software update and a plastic mesh can be released as a service bulletin before you are caught with your pants gaffer taped to your ankles.

[Elmura]

On another thread, I have called Shenanigans

A software update for the 2.0 and a AUD15 piece of plastic and software update for the 1.6 all engineered within 2 months, with the associated AUD15 Billion fines, lawsuits, drop in share price/market cap, and loss of integrity.

If it was so easy, why did it take 7 years??

I appreciate that sometimes a product isn't fully baked but need to be pushed out to meet a release date, but surely a simple software update and a plastic mesh can be released as a service bulletin before you are caught with your pants gaffer taped to your ankles.

Coz nobody pulled them up on it... Look into the investigation and you'll read that those in VW who knew about the cheat didn't alert those who would do something about it.

PS - The plastic mesh creates a laminar air flow (straightens the flow over the MAF sensor) to get a more accurate reading at different loads / engine speeds / air temperature etc. This will work with the new software map to increase the amount of fuel injected in some circumstances, alter the timing of the injection to keep the temperature lower, and use more EGR

[Elmura]

In response to Frantic’ s misleading comments (and, I’llkeep it toned down):

1. Provide evidence that your vehicle, or in fact,any Australian VW vehicle has lost value of between $7000 and $10000. Yourcomments were generalised across the whole VW range. My MY12 Passat CC Petrol has had $2000 drop in market value since April. Your 2010 103 TDI Multivan is still sitting pretty too at 50% RRP…. You need to stop the BS
2. Your references to another forum being accepting of exaggerated comments then complaining that this forum member’s “nitpick; are delusional; need to come to grips with reality, deceive”. But the simple factis, if you posted a query for advice, you will get help and gain knowledge. Mostof your posts are not queries but rather, your exaggerated negative interpretation of reality.
3. You attack & insinuate anybody who is arguing against your comments that they are employees of VW or work in a VW service industry. Maybe you should divulge your employment – do you work for a legal firm??? Maybe you should divulge the real reason you’ve come back to this forum after years of silence, only to post numerous negative comments in this particular thread.

[Ryeman]

I thought MAFs were the honeycomb style and ensured lamina flow.
and
The fix seems so simple you have to ask why cheat.

[Hillbilly]

Tomorrow the 27th November is the last day I am advised to appoint Maurice Blackburn as Lawyers in joining their Class Action.
So much is unknown considering the so called fix now released being a mere software upgrade for the 2.0l Diesel engine. Based on this fix, it would be fair to say once the whole scenario has washed through the motor trade, will Class Action members be really out of pocket to the extent that they receive any compensation after any win in the courts. At the moment I have heard most if not all car dealers (excluding VW Group dealers) will not touch a VW Diesel for a trade in or offer SFA at the worst, so yes atm, there is a financial loss incurred.

Reading all the legal mumbo from Maurice Blackburn re the retainer, and with a lack of trust in lawyers for not ripping clients off, can anyone shed some light or have they had legal advice as to what to do, submit the retainer and join in?

I have joined and asked for clarification of things. Can only say so much but basically they run the claim at their expense. If we win they take a % of probably under 25% all up. Also if VW have to pay our legal costs whatever winnings wont have costs deducted from it. If they lose THEY WEAR THE COSTS. We dont have to pay a penny. Thats what I was told.
How much we get is an absolute unknown but anything is better than nothing.

[VW Convert]

How much we get is an absolute unknown but anything is better than nothing.

This is an interesting point.

I'm fairly sure I saw the figure of $10,000 per vehicle mentioned as being the amount being claimed. Of course this is a starting point only, but one would have to think that a fixed amount per vehicle would be grossly unfair. An owner who drove a brand new $65,000 CC diesel out of the showroom the day before the issue became public must surely be wearing a significantly greater loss in terms of resale value than say the owner of a $25,000 (when new) 2008 Golf with 150,000 KM on the clock.

Have Maurice Blackburn given any more detail on how they would anticipate this panning out?

Cheers

George

[arcadelt]

...but anything is better than nothing.

Sometimes, Hillbilly, nothing is better than something, if that something has detrimental conditions and clauses attached. However, given the video on the fix I am now seriously considering joining the class action, because like others I cannot believe that a company and its officers would be so stupid to risk billions in shareholder value and customer goodwill when the fix was so simple. It really makes me wonder what is actually going on under the public affairs spin, especially in regards to the regulatory negotiations, and perhaps class actions are the best way to get to the bottom of it all and not see the millions of individual consumers the only ones standing at the end of this high-stakes game of musical chairs.