Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Transporter]

Anyhoo... moving on from that, if you feel that there will be no impact from this on VW here in Australia (or anywhere else, especially where they are made) over the next 5 years, then good luck to you

Where did I say that there will be no impact on VW? Common, give me some credit, even the fools can figure out that it will cost them money.

[Cossor]

This.

Additional thought... imagine you've just paid $35k + for a diesel Golf... VW fix the issue and put them back on sale, but no-one's buying them any more, so to stimulate sales they offer a 6-month campaign knocking $3k off the price plus extended warranty to get them moving and get sales momentum going again. Simple economics tells that affects the resale of every affected car that is already in the market, even once the current technical issues are resolved. Even out 3 to 5 years now there are a bunch of Golfs with extended warranty available, again further damaging resale of existing cars.

The damage has been done already - the questions are how VAG will ride it out, recover, learn, and attempt to minimise the damage to themselves, existing and future customers. And for that as hoi polloi said, only time will tell.

Good point Swallotail
However, I was told, (Before I bought Passat) that VW preferred adding goodies instead of dropping
price. (While $AU kept rising) in order to keep faith, without reducing value of trade ins.

[PerthMTB]

Good point Swallotail
However, I was told, (Before I bought Passat) that VW preferred adding goodies instead of dropping
price. (While $AU kept rising) in order to keep faith, without reducing value of trade ins.

Unfortunately it's already started to happen.

I've got a diesel Tiguan on order which was due to arrive in November. On October 2nd VW dropped it's price to $1000 less than when I ordered it two months ago - and that's just the list price, I'm sure dealers will now be doing some very attractive deals below list!

Then on October 3rd they suspended sales of the Diesel Tiguan.

You'll see from my posts above that I don't subscribe to all the media hype about the so called 'cheat device', and hope that for Australia at least the impact will prove to be minimal, and in fact at the moment the whole emissions thing is looking like the least of my worries!

Right now I've no idea when I'll get my car, and if the suspension lasts more than a couple of months I'll be getting a 2015 built car in 2016. I'm doubtful whether the price drop since I ordered will be passed onto me, or whether I'll be given a chance to cancel and get my deposit back if delivery is delayed beyond the original schedule, as the contract rules out both these things.

Meanwhile, I've heard nothing from the dealer or VW, all I know is what I've read in the media and on forums like this.

I echo what others have said above - sh*t happens, but it's how the company deals with it that matters, and so far I'm not impressed with the response, or rather lack of!

However, despite an alarming number of people/organisations around the world lining up to 'put the knife in' VW at the moment, there also seems to be a genuine following of VW loyalists (not least on this forum) who are willing to cut them a bit of slack, and give them time to get their act together and do the right thing. Despite this little vent of my frustrations, I still consider myself one of those, but my patience is wearing seriously thin!

[jrgti]

For one thing, spending $xx billion on rectification, lawsuits, market recovery, etc., will have impact on R&D and product development. What you buy in 2020 may be quite different as a result of this. 'Jumping to conclusions'? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell - which is, funnily enough, what I have been saying all along.

So as long as the next GTI/R models they roll out continue to be better than the previous generations. I guess they'll have to focus on building quality premium passenger cars rather than world domination. If they want to compete with Toyota then realistically they will need to build plastic cars like Toyota. I like how they differentiate themselves with that up-market feel in the interior even for entry level passenger cars but too bad this whole fiasco will scale things back.

[bluey]

VAG can make 103kW and 125kW 2.0L TDI which are essentially identical. Remaps result in similar performance specs to the 125kW TDI out of the 103kW engine otherwise unchanged.

So it would be relatively easy for VAG to provide remaps with more boost to compensate for the possible performance hit from better emissions control tuning. The only downside is for markets with high altitude increasing turbo failure rates, but they could probably live with that given everybody else would be happy.

They could turn this negative spell into something positive!

Curious to know if there are emissions test results from ECU remapped engines?

[Sunny43.5]

Quote "VW preferred adding goodies instead of dropping
price. (While $AU kept rising) in order to keep faith, without reducing value of trade ins "
This one is a huge con job as anyone like myself who has been in the automotive industry will know those goodies cost the makers and dealers peanuts . Case in question I noticed an advertisement for a car the other day and the dealers said the rear view camera was an $892 option , pleeeease those cameras cost the makers $15 if you are lucky a length of wire $5 hooked up to the head unit in manufacture and some coding maybe $35 in total but you in the mean time have just lost the $1000 discount .

[Umai Naa!!]

You know a car costs more to build than just the materials and parts, right?

[OilBurna]

Just going to keep my 2007 Tdi Passat until it dies. Never buying a VW again though after the injector DSG issues and now this. Hope the lawyers suck VW dry their arrogance over this will be their downfall. Also have to love how Audi Aust say anyone can call their customer service helpline VW Aust still says nothing PR 101 fail


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[Ryeman]

Just going to keep my 2007 Tdi Passat until it dies. Never buying a VW again though after the injector DSG issues and now this. Hope the lawyers suck VW dry their arrogance over this will be their downfall. Also have to love how Audi Aust say anyone can call their customer service helpline VW Aust still says nothing PR 101 fail


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Late this month is now, apparently, the deadline for the complete solution to be resolved and covering the significant variety of models, engines(?) and markets.
The 'client' distributors are in the same dark room, I suspect and certainly not in a position to say anything meaningful.

[ParaBul]

Another description of the events leading up to the eruption of this scandal:

From Italy to California, Volkswagen scandal was eight years in the making | The Sacramento Bee

I've read quite a few articles that seem to me to be written by journalists who have no idea what they're talking about. Whoever wrote this article seems to have some idea.