Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Ryeman]

Compensation for used car price falling? Please!
When you buy a new car, you do not buy any guarantee of its future value. You accept all the risk associated with the outlay of funds. You might choose to insure it against damage, but that's up to you. Regardless you accept the risk.
If VW sold double the number of cars this year and for the next 5 years, that would put similar downward pressure on used car values. Would you then have cause to want compensation?
Why people are so litigious these days I cannot fathom. The world doesn't owe you anything.

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Even VW management don't see it your way....then there are the legal aspects of 'failure to disclose' which the lawyers are salivating over.

[greymad]

The VW automotive group might be able to soften its financial blow by selling "Pardon my NOx" bumper stickers...

[Amalgam]

The ACCC are reviewing the matter

Dieselgate: ACCC issues statement on VW emissions saga – Car Reviews, News & Advice - CarPoint Australia..

On a personal note, I am a little miffed that I was lied to. Trust is very difficult to obtain and so easy to lose. A car is usually the second most expensive purchase that most of us will ever make. I bought our Passat as my wife's family wagon, where safety and reliability are paramount. VW have actively and knowing cheated the system, and even when alerted by Bosch that their code was illegal, elected to install the code.

Dieselgate: Bosch says VW knew – Car Reviews, News & Advice - CarPoint Australia..

What other shady things have VW done. We all buy our cars on it's reputation and trust that the manufacturer will do the right thing. We are all aware that a car is a deadly piece of machinery. As an example, what if a manufacturer change the supplier for the brake pads to save a few dollars, and these pads stopped the car 1 metre longer. 1 metre can make the difference between a near miss and hospitalisation and severe lifelong whiplash. I know, as I am the victim of someone running up the back of me.

If I wanted a dodgier car, I could have bought a Great Wall, which has been recalled for seat belts and asbestos in the brake pads and the head gasket.

End of Rant

[Transporter]

The ACCC are reviewing the matter

Dieselgate: ACCC issues statement on VW emissions saga – Car Reviews, News & Advice - CarPoint Australia..

On a personal note, I am a little miffed that I was lied to. Trust is very difficult to obtain and so easy to lose. A car is usually the second most expensive purchase that most of us will ever make. I bought our Passat as my wife's family wagon, where safety and reliability are paramount. VW have actively and knowing cheated the system, and even when alerted by Bosch that their code was illegal, elected to install the code.

Dieselgate: Bosch says VW knew – Car Reviews, News & Advice - CarPoint Australia..

What other shady things have VW done. We all buy our cars on it's reputation and trust that the manufacturer will do the right thing. We are all aware that a car is a deadly piece of machinery. As an example, what if a manufacturer change the supplier for the brake pads to save a few dollars, and these pads stopped the car 1 meter longer. 1 meter can make the difference between a near miss and hospitalisation and severe lifelong whiplash. I know, as I am the victim of someone running up the back of me.

If I wanted a dodgier car, I could have bought a Great Wall, which has been recalled for seat belts and asbestos in the brake pads and the head gasket.

End of Rant

Please enlighten me, how in the question (supposedly) higher than allowed emissions in US affect your safety in AU?

... and it's never to late to get that Great Wall. I'm sure that someone will be very happy with your secondhand Passat.

[ParaBul]

It's called "misrepresentation".

When we bought our diesel VAG vehicles they were both economical, and (reasonably) good on emissions in general.

Now the world knows that they're not so good on emissions.

If these "dirtier" vehicles have a lower retained value now that they're not quite so "green" then owners are legally entitled to be "restored" to the position that they would be in had the misrepresentation not been made.

What does this mean? If my car was worth $25k before this scandal broke, and is worth $20k afterwards, then I am entitled to receive $25k. If I get $20k from the sale, then Volkswagen make up the difference. That's for "innocent misrepresentation" - Volkswagen genuinely did not know of the deceit.

Arguably, the misrepresentation is "fraudulent" (they knowingly lied) or "negligent" - they didn't know, but they had a duty to know. In either of these cases, I'm legally entitled to be restored to my original position, plus compensation - for fear, angst, anxiety, insecurity, bed-wetting, insomnia, teeth grinding, weight gain, PTSD, body odour and the social stigma that comes from being the owner of a diesel Volkswagen, amongst other things.

By this time next year, I'll be independently wealthy and able to retire.

[Amalgam]

I am not here to get into a full and frank discussion.

Please enlighten me, how in the question (supposedly) higher than allowed emissions in US affect your safety in AU?

VW have admitted to 500,000 affected cars in the US and 11 million cars worldwide.

As per my earlier post, once trust is lost by the systematic, long term and continued deception by ANY company even in the face of strongly worded correspondence from the supplier that your code may be illegal, it should give us all pause to reflect.

This applies to ALL companies we deal with whether they manufacture cars, washing machines or toothpaste.

I am very happy with our Passat. It provides good performance with excellent fuel economy. I am concerned that the fix, by the way of a software update will restrict the engine to operate only in the 'emissions test mode' and thereby comply with emissions standards.

VW were able to comply with emissions standards, but deliberately chose not to.

I suspect that the 'emissions test mode' is less than ideal in any or all of the following parameters.

1/ fuel economy
2/ drivability and performance
3/ durability and maintenance

One thought is that they may adjust EGR time to reduce NOx and thereby increase coking or richen the air/fuel mixture to cool down combustion temps.

As my car is no longer covered by the manufacturers warranty, I am considering taking our car to a non dealer specialist where the upgrade patch will not be applied.

[Transporter]

I rather wait for more facts, than jump to conclusions like many of you guys here, worrying about the things that didn't happen yet.

But, here is something to consider as well. It's not really up to date article on a very similar topic.
Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars - Climate Change - Environment - The Independent

[team_v]

I rather wait for more facts, than jump to conclusions like many of you guys here, worrying about the things that didn't happen yet.

But, here is something to consider as well. It's not really up to date article on a very similar topic.
Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars - Climate Change - Environment - The Independent

There is also this:
World's 15 Biggest Ships Create More Pollution Than All The Cars In The World - Industry Tap

[Eaglen00b]

There is also this:
World's 15 Biggest Ships Create More Pollution Than All The Cars In The World - Industry Tap

Fair enough. But deception is still deception. The world awaits what legal repercussions follow from VW's conduct.

Plenty of concerned VAG diesel owners out there no doubt watching very closely.

[Eaglen00b]

As my car is no longer covered by the manufacturers warranty, I am considering taking our car to a non dealer specialist where the upgrade patch will not be applied.

Mine still has about a year or so of warranty left to run, and is due for the 60k service. I'll get it done at the VW service centre now, and address any niggles the car may have to make sure she's absolutely tip top shape. Then I'll wait out this storm and see what happens. If they're gonna patch software, then flurk going back to VW for servicing. Will also go to a non dealer specialist where I can specify NOT to upgrade the EMS.

I really hope VW pulls their finger out and sort this mess out sooner rather than later.