Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Transporter]

Maybe Honda took their time in producing their diesel because it was such a difficult task producing a clean one without cheating.

...and how do you know that they don't cheat?

[theresanothersteve]

... and 2) VW's clean diesels will perform among the best, as they are, like with Merc, BMW, Peugeot etc...

...and how do you know that they don't cheat?

I think the interesting thing here is the BMW in the same test performed as expected.

So, the targets are achievable but at what cost to the consumer. I'm guessing the BMW is 50% dearer than the VW.

[Eaglen00b]

I just hope that in a year or so time we won't see VW matching Hyundai pricing just to compete.......

[gldgti]

I think the interesting thing here is the BMW in the same test performed as expected.

So, the targets are achievable but at what cost to the consumer. I'm guessing the BMW is 50% dearer than the VW.

Yes... For instance I'd be surprised if the VAG V6 diesels didn't acheive the desired results too.
The VAG 4 cyl diesels punch above their weight in terms of performance / capacity. The V6 does not. I found it interesting back in 05 when the 3.0 and 2.7 CR TDI came out, they were underpowered for their capacity compared to the outgoing v6 2.5 tdi. Meeting the newer emissions targets would seem like a reasonable cause. But, the 4 cyl CR TDI came in with the same capacity and performance as the outgoing PD models...

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[cerebellum]

Found a list of EA189 and EA288 engines. Does a specific engine code have a matching ECU for all markets??


1.6 TDI CR GreenLine 77 kW 2010–2015 CAYC (EA189) 1598 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 77 kW (105 PS; 103 hp)
1.6 TDI CR 77 kW 2013–2015 CAYC (EA189) 1598 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 77 kW (105 PS; 103 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 81 kW 2009–2015 CFHA (EA189) 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 81 kW (110 PS; 107 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 81 kW 2009–2015 CFHF (EA189) 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 81 kW (110 PS; 107 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 81 kW 2015- (EA28 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 81 kW (110 PS; 107 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 81 kW 2015- (EA28 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 81 kW (110 PS; 107 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 103 kW 2011– CFHC (EA189) 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 103 kW (140 PS; 138 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 103 kW 2009– CFHC (EA189) 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 103 kW (140 PS; 138 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 103 kW 2010– CFHC (EA189) 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 103 kW (140 PS; 138 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 110 kW 2015– (EA28 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 110 kW (150 PS; 148 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 110 kW 2015– (EA28 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 110 kW (150 PS; 148 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 125 kW 2010–2015 CFJA (EA189)) 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 125 kW (170 PS; 168 hp)
2.0 TDI CR 125 kW 2013–2015 CFJA (EA189) 1968 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, common-rail, turbocharged 125 kW (170 PS; 168 hp)


The remaining question is how they perform/test running our diesel vs our standards.

Australia emissions NOX limits for diesel (CI) passenger cars (category M)
(https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2012C00284/Download)
Pre 2013 (euro4) 250mg/km
Post 2013 (euro5) 180mg/km

https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld_ca.php

If we use the Tier one passenger car level it's 0.4 g/miles or converted to about 120mg/km. Dunno if the numbers are still up to date or not.

[grtuned]

[wai]

So, the targets are achievable but at what cost to the consumer. I'm guessing the BMW is 50% dearer than the VW.

They are, but with exhaust gas treatment with AdBlue or DEF. This is what VW wanted to use as a point of differentiation. They claimed their cars could achieve it and maintain performance and economy without the need for AdBlue or DEF.

[Greg Roles]

Thanks Greg, I stand corrected. The particular model I'm interested in is the 130kw TDI Tiguan (MY16) as I have one on order for delivery in November which has now got caught up in all this mess! Do you happen to know what engine this has - is it the EA189 or EA288, and does it have EGR? I looked on the VW website and under fuel economy and emission control measures they only mention DPF, turbocharging, and Bluemotion technologies like stop-start/coasting/brake regeneration - no mention of EGR or SCR. Thanks!

To my knowledge every engine since MK3 has had EGR and in ever increasing amounts. On the flipside the coolers have gotten better and better, and since the Mk6, in most forms has a EGR filter in it just off the exhaust to drop the soot ingested. Your 130 will have it, and I bet it is not going to be SCR unless this forces a worldwide kneejerk.

If we have the same ECU software worldwide, we are all going to get a letter about a software update. Time to save a read file of my stock ECU!

[bluey]

Apparently the particular test where VW did 30-40x NOX was a bit hilly.Poster suggests 35x hillier than a "normal drive". Further down the thread is graph.

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The only thing that makes no sense at all is why VW admitted to mischief, since there appears rather little evidence of it in reality to date.

[Buzy_Robot]

Amidst all the hysteria (propelled by a sensationalist media and social forums) what do you guys think will happen to Australian owners? My thinking is that if we are subjected to a recall and fix in Australia we'll see some drop in performance and fuel economy as well as more wear and tear on parts like the DPF, so it will be costlier to run our diesel cars. No doubt we'll be hit when it comes to resale as well. In terms of compensation perhaps some free servicing and/or extended warranties? I doubt there are going to be class actions where we receive refunds or new cars. The real damage will come in public perception of the brand which didn't entirely recover from the DSG fiasco. TBH if I was a new or used car buyer I wouldn't go near a VAG product. Given the fact I was so keen to trade-in my B7 Passat for a B8 Passat that's saying a lot! Such a shame to think that if the B8 Passat is released in Australia next month, the focus will be on the scandal rather than the car itself. In the long run the good that could come out of this for consumers is that all automotive manufacturers tow the line, so to speak. Moving forward, one would hope the Volkswagen Group will model exemplary corporate behaviour. Time will tell.