The table is from 2005, so is is the headline. Even 2 years old news is still 2 years old news, though I get that some still get very excited. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by frantic
The table is from 2005, so is is the headline. Even 2 years old news is still 2 years old news, though I get that some still get very excited. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by frantic
Tony Abbott is to blame!
..and boom, of course it is. Have a good lie down with The Guardian.
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Originally Posted by FastMitch
I love how headlines often don't match the reality, the following is a quote from the above mentioned article:-
"A poll of 2,000 UK drivers found that 29 per cent want diesels prohibited from all roads, while a further 23 per cent would support them being kept out of built-up areas."
In actual fact, the headline should read "29% of an incredibly small sample (approx 0.00607%) of UK motorists want diesels gone from the road".
There's clearly a move away from diesel both by sales data and legislation limiting diesels but the media will always use sensationalist headlines to paint the picture they want painted, the sample group could in no way be claimed to be representative of a substantial proportion of UK motorists.
It is interesting to read who are the proponents of the "survey":-
"The research was commissioned by law firm Slater and Gordon, which is representing more than 45,000 people in a lawsuit against Volkswagen over the diesel emissions scandal."
If there ever was a case of a "survey" designed to arrive at a preconceived outcome, this is it.
It would be interesting to know what exact questions were put to the participants, the demographics and the method of selection of participants etc.
Cheers
George
It will come down to what the manufacturers are willing to make. Wile we as users think that the diesel is a great and wondrous thing and I am the first to admit that if the Tiguan was available with the bi turbo motor I would have my cheque book out right now.
In Europe the vehicles are taxed by emissions out of the exhaust pipe and also by the FLEET AVERAGE not just by the vehicle. If they can reduce that average by ditching the worst emitting motors and producing zero emitting motors it won't take a brain surgeon to work out what is going to happen, you and I are not going to be able to buy a diesel, end of story. For all the defense of diesels here the reality and trend is unless Bosch quickly bring their latest stuff to the production line which they announced some time ago the trend away from diesels will continue and the politicians will continue to be politicians and ban the motor within cities. The WLTP compliance has introduced more complication and VW for whatever reason has been caught out big time so they have been forced to reduce their model line at least in the near future and possibly a bit longer. I don't think it should surprise anyone if some of that model line never returns TBH.
Perhaps you should learn to read. My comment was that the survey does not support the sensationalist headline and I made no comment that denies diesel sales have dropped, quite the contrary I stated "There's clearly a move away from diesel both by sales data and legislation".Quote:
Originally Posted by frantic
Nothing I wrote was supportive of diesel engines or in any way a denial of the health effects of diesel engines, merely a comment about the media being loose with reporting facts and that surveys can and often are designed to arrive at a pre-determined result.
VW Convert's account was clearly, temporarily, hacked by none other than Tony Abbott.