So They May Have Cheated on the Golf MK7 GTI and R as well

**jazzyjames999** · 18-11-2015, 08:00 PM

Oh-ohhh. I wonder what this means for us and what will VW offer?

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/v...#ixzz3rnEpHnUx

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**jonoz** · 18-11-2015, 08:14 PM

Yep interesting as I got a low interest "green" car loan due to the emissions on the car so that should be interesting if it will impact that...

**danielb_c** · 18-11-2015, 10:12 PM

I can't say emissions ever came into the equation when selecting the R. What concerns me more is VW Australia's treatment of and communication to customers, as this is an indication of how other customer concerns are likely to be handled.

**Mattlock** · 19-11-2015, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by danielb_c

I can't say emissions ever came into the equation when selecting the R. What concerns me more is VW Australia's treatment of and communication to customers, as this is an indication of how other customer concerns are likely to be handled.

Couldn't agree more on all points.

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**Visitant** · 19-11-2015, 11:14 AM

Wheels is reporting that there may be a reimbursement for GTI, R and Skoda RS owners if the CO2 emissions figures are found to have been manipulated (to compensate for extra fuel consumed).

What annoys me the most is that VW appears to be dragging its feet and is making no attempt to keep its customers informed. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and certainly puts me off the brand. Having said that, I'm happy with my GTI-P, but probably won't consider VW next time I'm in the market for a car.

**Fish Jetski** · 20-11-2015, 12:27 AM

We have two cars in our garage and I keep receipts for every tank of fuel -
2015 VW Golf R Manual - Fuel Use Claimed 7.3l/100km - Actual Use 12.2l/100km - 67%+ Discrepancy.
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel - Fuel Use Claimed - 7.5l/100km - Actual Use 9.9l/100km - 32% Discrepancy.
Same drivers, similar driving style. Massive difference (although I know diesel is a bit different), but the claims just aren't right. Past cars (WRX, Liberty GT, Boxster, S4, Mx-5, 200SX) have taught me use is about 25-35% above claim.

So my concern is based on the fact that I bought the golf R for 2-3 years based on past strong resale history. I'll probably lose $2-3k extra there. But I'll also lose due to additional cost of petrol. Based on the same % increase of 32% the VW should use 9.6l/100km. So it's using an extra 2.6l/100km...based on $1.30/l (generous), that's $338 for every 10,000km. So if I were to sell a car with 60,000km, that's another $2k loss. Hmmm....$5k out of pocket doesn't appear to be fair to me.

What do other users think?

**Mattlock** · 20-11-2015, 06:52 AM

What tyre pressures do you run? An article I read said that VW had partially improved the consumption figures by increasing pressures.

I did a defensive driving course a few years ago and since then have never run my tyres at the manufacturer recommendations.

My GT runs at 36psi (VW state 28 in the manual) and my Tiguan runs at 38psi (helps deal with the big sidewalls).

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**Eaglen00b** · 20-11-2015, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by jonoz

Yep interesting as I got a low interest "green" car loan due to the emissions on the car so that should be interesting if it will impact that...

It'd be pretty harsh if it adversely affects you directly. I'd say it's probably more your financial institution chasing after VW directly rather than launching hundreds and thousands of individual actions against every single customer who has a green car loan affected by this.

But hey, we're dealing with corporations here so maybe logic just doesn't come into it.

In any case, if they claim that your loan contract is now invalid, or a change is required, there has to be mutual agreement (especially considering the material change in circumstances were completely outside your reasonable control or influence) or else it becomes an unfair contract thus becoming unenforceable. Still best to get legal advice first though.

**Fish Jetski** · 20-11-2015, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mattlock

What tyre pressures do you run? An article I read said that VW had partially improved the consumption figures by increasing pressures.

I did a defensive driving course a few years ago and since then have never run my tyres at the manufacturer recommendations.

My GT runs at 36psi (VW state 28 in the manual) and my Tiguan runs at 38psi (helps deal with the big sidewalls).

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I'm running 38 in winter and 36 in summer - it makes the suspension feel like a mild coilover in Race mode. But I don't drive it too hard most of the time due to two child seats in the back...

The thing that gets me is this - I'm not using any more fuel than in my WRX...but Subaru never made a claim of 7.3l/100km either, and that was a part of my decision to spend extra on the R as I considered the lower fuel use as an offset over the life of ownership.

**Mattlock** · 20-11-2015, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Fish Jetski

The thing that gets me is this - I'm not using any more fuel than in my WRX...but Subaru never made a claim of 7.3l/100km either, and that was a part of my decision to spend extra on the R as I considered the lower fuel use as an offset over the life of ownership.

Yeah very true. I've never really taken the fuel consumption figures in to account as a part of the decision process but your point is very valid.

My MY14 Tiguan gets nowhere near the quoted 5.6, it's much more like 7.

I pick up my R this afternoon and the issue I think I will have is the official figures will be have been used by my lease company to calculate the running costs and it will be much higher. This is what worries me now.

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