Sneaky move to put secret Carbon Tax on fuel

**PassatB6** · 09-07-2011, 11:55 AM

Although the Gillard govt has said there will be no Carbon Tax on fuel for the average motorist, this is a complete con. There is a plan to do so under another name. In essence, the Carbon Tax will be an additional fuel excise.

The Greens have convinced the government to institute a 'Productivity Commission Inquiry' which will decide whether excise is to be levied on CARBON CONTENT of fuel. In addition they will examine whether ROAD USAGE CHARGES will also be instituted to discourage driving. Make no mistake this will happen.

So don't be fooled by the original announcement, there WILL be a Carbon Tax on fuel but through a Productivity Commission hearing and added through fuel excise. Sneaky bastards.

No tax on fuel, but Greens win Productivity Commission inquiry | The Australian

**wai** · 09-07-2011, 01:16 PM

You didn't really think that the government would pass up an opportunity to tax something

Even if (miracle of miracles) the Productivity Commission did not recommend a levy on the carbon content of fuel, those businesses that are taxed will simply pass their costs on. They would be derelict in their duty to their shareholders if they did not.

It does not matter how they do it, everyone is going to end up paying it, directly or indirectly. The government (either party) can then wring their hands and say that they excluded fuel, and it is those nasty companies that are charging the poor consumer.

What is most concerning is that a party that ends up with an absolutely minimal vote can hold such sway and essentially dictate to government how they will govern. It is one thing to "keep the bastards honest", and another thing altogether to dictate. Then again it is more a reflection on the weakness of the government to bow down to such dictates.

I have been watching a recording of British Army team climbing Mt Everest. There they told how climbers who could be rescued were literally left to die because other climbers were more interested in getting to the summit rather than help a fellow human being who had either collapsed or broken something. Here it was a case of Labor wanting to govern no matter what - in this case no matter what they had to inflict on those who voted for them.

And you know what, the next government is unlikely to remove these imposts. Once they get the taste for tax, they become addicted to it. We are also easily bought off with minimal promises of a few more dollars in the pocket.

**Mk3 AAA** · 09-07-2011, 05:25 PM

Let the people vote on it, simple.

**Stiggy_21** · 09-07-2011, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by VW Imposter

Let the people vote on it, simple.

nah..... thats too easy.

**Drift** · 09-07-2011, 08:15 PM

Flavour of the month by alarmist agenda driven media outlets. Don't forget, mobile phones give you cancer, wait, no they don't, hang on, yes they do etc etc etc.

**Preen59** · 09-07-2011, 08:48 PM

What a load of wank.

This government is really getting under my skin and they pretty much have done since they got in. The Coalition made one fatal mistake of introducing work choices and it has cost this country dearly. They are in no way perfect but I feel that if they were still in, the country would be in much less of a mess than it is in now. And we definitely wouldn't have that scumbag bob brown dictating what is what.

**Wolfgang** · 12-07-2011, 10:59 PM

For the last 10 years or so at the Uni of NSW scientists have been carrying out an experiment on the effects of carbon dioxide on plant growth. What they have found is once carbon dioxide levels reach a certain point plant growth accelerates dramatically causing etiolation, which means plants grow so quickly they stretch and become weak. Etiolation will devastate food crops, weaken trees making them more susceptible to storm damage, and if levels go high enough spell the end of plant life. The scary thing is, they claim that at the rate the carbon dioxide levels are rising it could be too late to stop it happening.

Also, can anyone explain to me how do they plan to calculate the amount of carbon each individual business produces?

For the record I think this carbon tax is a fraud, there must be better ways to approach this.

**Ideo** · 13-07-2011, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Wolfgang

For the last 10 years or so at the Uni of NSW scientists have been carrying out an experiment on the effects of carbon dioxide on plant growth. What they have found is once carbon dioxide levels reach a certain point plant growth accelerates dramatically causing etiolation, which means plants grow so quickly they stretch and become weak. Etiolation will devastate food crops, weaken trees making them more susceptible to storm damage, and if levels go high enough spell the end of plant life. The scary thing is, they claim that at the rate the carbon dioxide levels are rising it could be too late to stop it happening.

Also, can anyone explain to me how do they plan to calculate the amount of carbon each individual business produces?

For the record I think this carbon tax is a fraud, there must be better ways to approach this.

The deniers will say it is all just part of a big conspiracy anyway, so what's the point?

As for doing what's right - there is doing what is right and there is doing what is popular. The two aren't always the same thing. Ending slavery was right - it was not popular. Ending child labour was right. It was not popular. You get the point?