NSW Mobile Speeding Cameras

[The_Hawk]

You can choose not to make it revenue raising simply by NOT SPEEDING. I don't know why so many people seem to think it's a proiblem that governments book/fine people for breaking the law.

I'm always amazed that so many people get booked at fixed speed camera's considering how well they are marked, but I've seen more than one person get done.

While I agree that people just shouldn't speed and it wouldn't be an issue, it's more a general concern that the restrictions/enforcement is getting too tight. We are moving closer and closer to a system where you car automatically issues you a fine after you hit 61 in a 60 zone.

Much like the hoon laws, I don't street race, I don't drift round corners, I generally don't speed. But knowing that someone has the power to take my car away because I hit it a little hard at the lights makes me nervous.

[2muchcoffeeman]

We'd be wrapped to have only 6 mobile speed cameras in Victoria

[Speed]

Maybe it's time to buy into the "safety cam" business...

Macquarie already have!

But i believe that the speed limits do not necessarily reflect the capability of the road/vehicles in about 50% of the circumstances.

x2. Further to that as cars improve, speed limits come down.

Eg 1. When the RTA did work on the section under the airport tunnel, the speed limit used to be 90.
Then dropped to 70 during road work, then has stayed at 70 for about tens years or more now!

Eg 2. Grand Parade, thru Brighton Le Sands, used to be 70 and has been 60 for almost ten years now.

Eg 3. Back streets used to be 60 and have been 50 for ages.

Main roads that have fences and overpasses, still attract a 40 zone in school times.
To steal a joke.. when I was young we had to be nimble. If you want to reduce child obesity, then increase the school zones to 140
and make the fatties run for there lives!

But seriously wouldn't the money be better spent on educating drivers.
I seriously wonder how some drivers get there licence.

Oh yeah and although the old rule of having to be more than 10% over before being hit with a camera
has been reduced to 4Kms regardless of speed you are travelling (in NSW anyways). So if your caught doing 114 in a 110 zone, your gone!

[Rocket36]

I do agree that we shouldn't be speeding.

But i believe that the speed limits do not necessarily reflect the capability of the road/vehicles in about 50% of the circumstances.
I.e. most of the highways could easily the support a 120km limit which most people do anyway yet they are 110 for a limited sdistance and then back to 100 for the majority of the road, even though it is 2 or 3 lane highway.

So there are arguments for both sides and until these issues are addressed then people will continue to speed.

You're leaving out one critical factor... DRIVERS!!! Most have absolutely ZERO car control training. They know how to operate a vehicle, but not how to drive one. And there is a big difference.

I know (because going back quite a few years now my Dad was involved in the project) that the Hume Hwy is rated safe at 130kph in the wet. So yes, I certainly believe roads and cars can easily cope with higher speeds. But I also know that the majority of people can't.

[schoona]

I'm doing Traffic Offenders atm. Had a senior constable last year say that they allow for +/- 10% when factoring speeding in (to account for speedo inaccuracy).

My assignment tonight is to qualify my views on cameras and "revenue raising".....Will be interesting to see what I come up with...

I'm thinking the program should be compulsory (I am finding it beneficial!) the fact that so little funding is directly re-employed to help educate, change and maintain attitudes of drivers of ALL ages.

Anyways....wish me luck haha

[Rocket36]

Yes Nanna... Let me get you another cuppa while you crochet that doily...

OK so you don't want fines for breaking the law? What's the alternative? Prison time? Laws are NOT made to be broken.

If someone murders your family (breaking the law) should they not be penalised for it? Of course they should.

Going faster than the posted speed limit has been PROVEN to be unsafe and therefore doing so is breaking the law. Penalties apply, as they should, but if it wasn't a monetary fine, people wouldn't care. Unfortunately human nature dictates that the best way to penalise someone is take away their freedom or take money from them.

[schoona]

You're leaving out one critical factor... DRIVERS!!! Most have absolutely ZERO car control training. They know how to operate a vehicle, but not how to drive one. And there is a big difference.

I know (because going back quite a few years now my Dad was involved in the project) that the Hume Hwy is rated safe at 130kph in the wet. So yes, I certainly believe roads and cars can easily cope with higher speeds. But I also know that the majority of people can't.

But you never speed and are Ayrton Senna.....rightttttt

[team_v]

You're leaving out one critical factor... DRIVERS!!! Most have absolutely ZERO car control training. They know how to operate a vehicle, but not how to drive one. And there is a big difference.

I know (because going back quite a few years now my Dad was involved in the project) that the Hume Hwy is rated safe at 130kph in the wet. So yes, I certainly believe roads and cars can easily cope with higher speeds. But I also know that the majority of people can't.

Exactly correct, there are a number of factors.

So i believe they should funnel some of the revenue they get from the cameras into proper driver training systems which would rthen see a reduction in road incedents and allow an increase in speed levels.

[whiteVR6]

first id like to say iv been fined for speeding
i took the hit and i learnt my lesson

now think of it like this
if you got hit by a speeding driver how would you feel?
if someone you loved got hit by a speeding driver how would you feel?

theres only so much the government can do and if this is one of those things so be it
be more careful and you wont have to worry

and as for the whole 'if you dont get your fine till like 2 months later how can you change your behaviour' senario... if the fact that you could kill someone by not following the law doesnt change your behaviour then maybe just knowing these cameras are out there to catch you should help you change your behaviour

[Treza360]

OK so you don't want fines for breaking the law? What's the alternative? Prison time? Laws are NOT made to be broken.
If someone murders your family (breaking the law) should they not be penalised for it? Of course they should.
Going faster than the posted speed limit has been PROVEN to be unsafe and therefore doing so is breaking the law. Penalties apply, as they should, but if it wasn't a monetary fine, people wouldn't care. Unfortunately human nature dictates that the best way to penalise someone is take away their freedom or take money from them.

No it hasn't been proven at all. You can skew statistics anyway you want to make things into your favour. Going 61km/h in a 60km/h zone is not unsafe and to argue otherwise is ludicrous. Even a 3km/h difference as the idiots in Victoria work can be had by looking at the speedo at a slightly different angle.

What I want is appropriate speed limits and proper police patrols with officers applying common sense and their own discretion as to whether a certain speed being traveled at is actually dangerous. That is as opposed to the career traffic officer jerks on power trips who even the proper police despise.
No camera vehicle is going to pickup the idiot stoned out of his brains driving at 10km/h on 80km/h stretch or the bucket old falcadore with bald tyres and no lights. Or the OAP who finds roundabouts confusing and goes around one the wrong way. The increasing reliance on camera technology and making speeding a scapegoat only proves that revenue is more important than actually safety.

Just because the government makes a law doesn't mean it actually makes sense or is right and unless people actually make a noise about it rather than just follow mindlessly like sheep then things will only get worse.

Anyway the moment this thread degenerates and starts going around and around in circles as this topic always does I will be closing it down.

Cheers,
Trent