Golf GTI -v- Toyota FT86

[SilvrFoxX]

This was up at the Castlehill Homemaker centre today.. WTF is with the wing..

[Candyman]

Oh god, I just threw up dinner !

[SilvrFoxX]

sorry bout that.. looks like someone put a supra in the oven and made a shrinkie

[Candyman]

sorry bout that.. looks like someone put a supra in the oven and made a shrinkie

Bwahahahaha

[Candyman]

Hard to tell from the photo but the camber looks whacked on the rear wheel ?

Nice license plate though

[SilvrFoxX]

Don't know.. it was white so if it wasn't for the wing I wouldn't have even noticed it

EVO about the BRZ - first time test looser - Subaru Impreza WRX STI Forums: IWSTI.com

I can tolerate if it's not fast, but the car does not sound fun at all. They said that a Megane RS and even a 15 year old second hand WRX was more exciting, not to mention must faster (and in the Megane's case, some 5 seconds faster a lap over a short circuit). Here are some lines from the review:

"You really have to throw it at a bend to achieve a slide worthy of a cornering shot, which is less than subtle and rather defeats the promise of this being a car to enjoy at less than banzai speeds"

"Without the benefit of the steep downhill gradient the BRZ feels plain slow and a bit dull"

"The tyres might be very ordinary and not very wide but they're not much troubled by the piffling torque. Most people would step out thinking it was a decently sorted front-driver"

"To put it bluntly, if you've driven anything even moderately sporty, the BRZ's performance is limp. You have to cane the living daylights out of a genuinely unpleasant engine that emits a teeth-gnashingly awful soundtrack as you grind your way around to 7000rpm"

"It's also easy meat for anything with a turbo diesel motor, unless you sacrifice all dignity and attempt your best Kamui Kobayashi impression on the brakes."

"A front drive hatch is more fun than a car most people have described as something akin to the saviour of the performance car"

"I hate to say it but the BRZ feels like it needs more power or a wet surface. Meanwhile, the bloke in the Megane on the same road is up to his neck in the action, grinning like a fool and wondering how you can have more fun than he is right now. And when you slow down and relax the Megane is simply a nicer place to be and feels more special. Yep oversteer obsessed Evo gives the nod to the front drive Megane"

"The BRZ feels rather aloof unless you're thrashing the life out of it. You're bouncing up and down in your seat hoping it might help you climb back above 5,000rpm"

"Any sense that you'll be constantly embroiled in tweaking the balance with subtle throttle, steering and braking inputs is pure fantasy."

"It takes 10 minutes in the Imprezza turbo to highlight the BRZ's shortcomings. This let's not forget is a 1997 car with 100,000 miles."

"It's a graphic illustration of how torque-to-weight and not power-to-weight makes for a quick, responsive and exciting car on the road."

"We so wanted the BRZ to deliver, to make a stand for rear-drive, but it misses the target by a mile. It's not agile and adjustable and it's not much fun either"

"The more you seek out that elusive moment of magic, the more the lack of torque frustrates and the faster you go until you find yourself in a vicious circle of cheek-puffing effort and clumsy provocation, all to no avail".

"The nasty engine and fundamental lack of performance remain the elephant in the room"

"This car feels very much like a triumph of hype over horsepower. I feel like the Grinch for saying so, but it's the inconvenient truth"

So much hype shot down by a very well known and respected magazine. Then Car Magazine chimes

Toyota GT-86 (2012) CAR review: a second opinion | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online


"Sadly, the GT86’s lack of torque means that, in second gear corners such as the occasional hairpin, there’s barely enough low-down grunt to budge a surprisingly sticky back end, whilst, in third gear corners you’ll be going at quite a lick, making efforts to hang the tail out a somewhat daunting prospect for the potentially ham-fisted amateur at whom this car is so squarely aimed."

"You have to be going at a pretty serious lick to extract the traction control off, tail-out drifting fun available. Track performance is largely irrelevant, because you have the full width of the road at your disposal and know that nothing’s going to be coming the other way. But on the road, you don’t, which restricts drifting diversions to corners you can see through."

"Shackled by the quality of its own dynamic abilities: amateurs will want more grunt to extract traction-free entertainment at lower speeds, the more talented will want more grunt because well, they always do."

"It’s the GT86’s very lack of power, or, to put it more precisely, low-end torque, that makes the car a less wholesome proposition for the target market – amateur enthusiasts who haven’t got a fortune to spend on their thrills - than intended."

[VWindahouse]

This was up at the Castlehill Homemaker centre today.. WTF is with the wing..

Don't you know a reincarnated shopping trolley when you see one But seriously "RICE" is back baby!

[Candyman]

Don't know.. it was white so if it wasn't for the wing I wouldn't have even noticed it

Sadly, if it was in RB, the wing would look even more ridiculous.

How unfortunate for Toyota they only make a plain white, much like RB, it really has no impact.

Now, if it was CW, would have made all the difference and that would address the shortcomings of the rest of the car.

[brimway]

A shopping list on the front guards and bigger milo tin exhaust tips would do it!

[SilvrFoxX]

Sadly, if it was in RB, the wing would look even more ridiculous.

How unfortunate for Toyota they only make a plain white, much like RB, it really has no impact.

Now, if it was CW, would have made all the difference and that would address the shortcomings of the rest of the car.

Sadly you are right about if it was blue..

Have to correct you on the white though.., looked like the Subaru Pearl white, very metallic with a blue sheen of pearl through it . Can't compare to the CW but as far as a white goes had some depth