Golf GTI -v- Toyota FT86

[DoggieHowser]

Cargo space in a drivers car, why ?

First the haters said it wasn't as practical. Now when it's shown that it is, it's somehow a bad thing? Come on.

[Candyman]

First the haters said it wasn't as practical. Now when it's shown that it is, it's somehow a bad thing? Come on.

I don't hate it - see post above by me (and I've posted before about its sexy looks and more)

It is pushed as a drivers car by some in this thread, I just commented why cargo space was seen of value ?

[DoggieHowser]

Perhaps because it was a misconception that could be easily cleared up. Besides all cars are compromises in some respects and if this is a deal breaker for some, then perhaps that post could put the car back for consideration.

[Candyman]

Have you read those threads ?

Please read them and then post back

I'm serious

If you are considering this car and are seeing cargo space as a deal breaker, you are considering the wrong car, based on those threads

I'm actually looking forward to a WJ post, again, seriously, at least he focused on what this car is all about.

[parso_rex]

WJ,

I don't know how the 1/4 mile figures are derived but having been to a VW Drag day and seeing the Golf R on the strip, 15 second quarter would be an embarrassment.

Admittedly this R had a tune and DSG but a sub 13 second run is pretty standard. There were Stock GTIs doing sub 14s..

If the comparison to a GTI was confusing the introduction of the R moreso.

Shucks and 36C that day .........and then the downside, due to the temps every other car of ours ran the same MPH too

sort of on topic
There's a few turbo kits emerging for the twins now too, high mount and low mount variations (the Castle Hill Guys) and they're making decent gains for a lightweight like this. Still I wouldn't want to be trying get this mod engineered or insured. Down the track I'll be interested to see what we can do with the stock mapping once the map definitions are sorted ........ by the romraider guys (I can't be ar$3d)

Oh Carry on with unusual comparo

Cheers,

WJ fan 1072

[SilvrFoxX]

Was a good run..my favorite piccie

[WhiteJames]

Hasn't taken long for the aftermarket tuners to come up with turbos for the twins. I think supercharger may be a better way to go re: heat and maintain the linear & crisp thorttle response. Issue is, extra power will invariably result in the need for imprved brakes, suspension & tyres in attempt to preserve as much as the twins innate balance as possible. Beefing up the suspension and/or lowering with stiffer springs may make the twins feel slower than they actually are with added chassis control, not to mention over tax the low grip Prius tyres, esp. in the wet/damp conditions.

Here's ia interesting comparison of the stock FT86 Toyota Coupe factory springs -v- Eibach aftermarket springs that are stated to be 56% stiffer at front and 29% stiffer in the rear. Note that the Toyota FT86 Coupe factory springs are linear at the front and slightly progressive at the rear with heaps of dead coils to fill the rear end gap to prevent the springs from falling out of their perch. Alternatively ... the aftermarket Eibach springs are progressive at the front (albeit progressive on the final wound of coils) and linear in the rear for more rear linearity.

Makes me wonder if the difference in springs between the Toyota FT86 -v Subaru BRZ is not only down to the spring rate of the coils, but type of coil (progressive -v linear / barrell -v- uniform). The twins definitely handling differently around the canyon roadways.

See link with pics:

Suspension Review: Eibach Pro-Kit Lowering Springs - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB

On a side issue ... in terms of convenience ... I not hearing many mention the praticalility of free or fixed cost servicing on the twins -v- Volkswagen service costs. Likely to spend 3K in service fees over the 3 year warranty duration from new purchase on GTI and even more on the AWD models.

Cheers.
WJ

[Transporter]

I know from the experience and observation that the free servicing or fixed cost servicing could equal to no servicing at all.

But, I have no doubts that it's appealing to some.

[SilvrFoxX]

On a side issue ... in terms of convenience ... I not hearing many mention the praticalility of free or fixed cost servicing on the twins -v- Volkswagen service costs. Likely to spend 3K in service fees over the 3 year warranty duration from new purchase on GTI and even more on the AWD models.

Cheers.
WJ

heh.. thats cause most are still confused about the comparison in the first place.

I am with Transporter, most Jap cars ask you to service every 6 months (which is most inconvenient) and generally more expensive that the Euro's to service because they have high revving engines. If they are throwing it in for nothing or fixed price then the quality of the service is going to be questionable.

[Candyman]

Meh, we have fixed servicing costs on the wife's car (Fiesta), lets just say it is indeed "fixed", to benefit the dealer !

Free servicing AFAIK always comes with "extras"

Local business here is offering a turbo bolt on kit for just under $10k for this vehicle. It aint pretty but as yet, not sure how well it delivers.