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    Thought I'd provide some details of the gtech after a track day and last night doing some timed runs.

    Screen shot of the PASSv1.22 software for review laptimed data:


    Unfortunately for this event I got very little clear track time so the lap times are ordinary, I'm off to QR in a week so that'll hopefully give me the opportunity to get a clearer track and therefore much improved consistency of times. I find the PASS software pretty good, though much prefer to pull the raw data into excel so I can better interrogate and compare what's going on, as per below. It's speed against distance for the fastest three laps, in a per sector sense. The Pass software uses time as the primary measurement, so I've used excel to change distance to the primary:

    I had to back out of one of the laps at 2/3s the way due to traffic, which is seen clearly against the speed.


    I also graphed the g-forces (lateral and forward) over one lap. You can see when and how I've transitioned from acceleration to braking and steering into/out of a corner. Hopefully at the next event I'll have some consistent clear laps so will be interesting to overlap this graph across a number of laps to see if it's also consistent. This will demonstrate if I'm reaching max cornering/braking.


    Last night I did some timed standing start runs. Really the first time I've every tried drag style starts. It's was very wet so the times themselves are near irrelevant as I'd spin through 1st and 2nd gear. It's interesting to see the black run was the fastest though also produced the lowest g-forces as id spun through 1st and 2nd more than on the other 2 attempts.

    G-forces


    HP produced

    Ignore the horsepower figure itself as that's not accurate for this activity, but you can see the where I've had grip, or not.

    There's another feature in the gtech for horsepower/torque, though at the moment I haven't got consistent enough results to be comfortable, nor was it the purpose of buying such a "toy".

    This is the speed during each run and rate of acceleration



    These runs were done on a highway without breaking the speed limit
    Track Car: 06 Polo GTI Red Devil mkII
    Daily: 2010 VW Jetta Highline
    Gone but not forgotten: 08 Polo GTI
    ** All information I provide is probably incorrect until validated by someone else **

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    Another great day out at Queensland race on the national circuit.

    Some data from the day




    Lap times



    Max Speed 173.83
    Lateral G's: 0.55 to -.52
    Longitudinal G's: 0.39 to -.96

    Last time out on the Clubman circuit with very cold air temps my acceleration speeds was quite a bit higher down the back straight and start finish line. I'd say that shows the difference in air temp between the 2 days and the heat soak I was experiencing with the factory side mount intercooler. When on the clubman circuit, air temp mid single digits, y'day at QR was high 20's. My corning g's are near identical. There is a consistent trend that with a slow/cool down lap prior, I was carrying 2-3km/h more over the start/finish line.

    Clubman Details
    max speed: 178.27
    Lateral G's: 0.57 to -.48
    Longitudinal G's: 0.37 to -.93





    When time permits next, I want to do some in gear power runs in 2nd, 3rd and into 4th to best gauge ideal shift points. I usually shift around 6000rpm - 6200rpm, rarely ever going above that and using 3rd and 4th gear only at QR and lakeside. Neither circuit require 2nd gear and will still spin through third gear with a little steering lock.
    Track Car: 06 Polo GTI Red Devil mkII
    Daily: 2010 VW Jetta Highline
    Gone but not forgotten: 08 Polo GTI
    ** All information I provide is probably incorrect until validated by someone else **

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    Perhaps a bit of a pointless update, but given there is very little practical information on here about laptimers, I'll add to it anyway.

    Of late I've got into recording the trackdays, as well as GPS logging. I tried an itunes app called CMSLaptimer. It's an iphone app, capable of using an external GPS, or your internal, and records via your phone, just like Harry's Laptimer and many others, but much cheaper - data logger is currently free, the pro version with video was $3 or something when I got it. I've had mixed results with it, the first (and 3rd) time I tried it, it didn't record anything though I'll accept a level of user error. I spoke to the developer of CMS who was very helpful and quick to respond. Second time it worked fine. Though that track day had lots of traffic so getting consistent laps was difficult and it's not clear how I can change the sectors/beacons so I can have the start finish line where it should be. Though on a few consist laps it was within a couple of tenths of a second of the gtech unit - which is pretty good given the start/finish lines were about 400metres apart and using internal 1hz gps.

    Anyway, regarding video, I've used a go pro hero2 and also my phone camera to record, by using RaceRender (free version gives 3minute overlays which I put into windows moviemaker for longer videos) I've been able to overlay the raw data (csv file) from gtech into the software with video. Racerender is quite easy to use after a few minutes playing around and has lots of different "dash boards" available. Below are a couple of videos from differing days. All the data is direct from gtech. This weekend I'm going to us a compact camera (Sony NEX5) with a window suction mount for video and gtech for logging. Apparently the NEX-5 share the same video sensor as the Sony Action Cam.

    Whilst any dedicated GPS logger can be considered expensive, I've found the gtech to be very easy to use and reliable. I have looked into external GPS units and OBD logging by using the phone which would come to much the same price overall. I've also considered addding OBD logging to CMS as something a little extra so you get throttle position, revs and selected gear. That's a lot of logging for little money. I chose not to go down the iphone + external GPS path as I wanted to know it'd work every time with little fuss, the gtech has delivered that.



    Track Car: 06 Polo GTI Red Devil mkII
    Daily: 2010 VW Jetta Highline
    Gone but not forgotten: 08 Polo GTI
    ** All information I provide is probably incorrect until validated by someone else **

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