DSG woes in The Age

[stickshift3000]

Meh, what they reported is factual.

[ziggyboy]

I met the partner of my gf's workmate who happens to be a Honda salesman. We briefly talked about the DSG recall. He said that used car wholesalers have largely rejected buying VW for trade ins. Said it's on a case to case basis and depends on the wholesaler. In Canberra, out of the 4 wholesalers they deal with, 3 at the moment have flat out refused to buy VW's. Only one are buying but they are picky or are lowballing owners.

His suggestion was to wait it out a few months or better yet sell next year.

[VUU]

The saga continues...

Coroner considers more Volkswagen power failure cases in inquiry into driver's freeway death - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[Rileyowner]

The lawyer for Ms Ryan's family is quoted as saying: "They are firmly of the belief that there was a problem with the car, their belief is partly because of what they have found along the way, and partly because of the way that VW has conducted itself throughout the process of the investigation".

He continued: "Right from the start VW has been less than forthcoming and that has made the family more suspicious."

Clearly, they will never learn.

[team_v]

The saga continues...

Coroner considers more Volkswagen power failure cases in inquiry into driver's freeway death - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

From memory she had a GTI which doesn't have the engine shutdown issues that the TDI injectors cause.
You may get a coilpack go but it won't shut down the engine will it?

[AdamD]

From memory she had a GTI which doesn't have the engine shutdown issues that the TDI injectors cause.
You may get a coilpack go but it won't shut down the engine will it?

It would run rough as guts apparently, and I think you'd get misfire fault codes too.

[team_v]

It would run rough as guts apparently, and I think you'd get misfire fault codes too.

Yes i figured it would run rough but it isn't just going to shut down the engine on the highway and cause instant deceleration.
It would just run rough on 3 cylinders and probably go into limp mode.

[The_Hawk]

Given we know SFA about the coronial inquest it's impossible to draw any conclusions from this "new" information.

The article seems to hint that there are witnesses (other than the truck driver) who talk about the "sharp deceleration" without brake lights. I need to assume that there is no evidence in the computer logs showing any issue otherwise this would already be over??

"The family report that right from the start when there were suspicions, the description of the way the accident occurred, the poor fellow who was driving the vehicle from behind which was involved in this fatal accident, other witnesses all gave similar descriptions about the nature of the very sharp deceleration of the vehicle but without any brake lights coming on," he said.

In any case the recent media blitz and mores the consumer reports are presented as the rationale for the coroner allowing new/additional evidence.

I do wonder what level of evidence needs to be presented to allow the coroner to rule the car was at fault?

Does the car log a fault for bulbs out? Or is it a just a warning when the bulbs are out? It is possible the lights were simply not working and the driver did brake for some reason? Can/did the crash investigators check if the bulbs were working before the crash? What information does the computer log before/after a crash?
All questions we, as the public, will likely never get an answer to.



I still find it very interesting that one of the original articles did not talk to what she was driving and seemed to focus solely on the truck driver and trucks on roads.


Even if the there was no brake lights or warning and the driver in front ripped up the handbrake, it's still the driver behinds responsibility to stop or avoid the other vehicle. Last night on the M5 at 110km/h I had some genius who had stopped on the right had side of a four lane motorway who then decided to pull out from a dead stop into traffic then try to cross four lanes with seemingly little regard for cars on the road. Was the car broken and unable to speed up? In any case more than one person had to brake HARD to avoid this fool. There were no brake lights since he was speeding up yet we all managed.


This whole debacle just bother me, I accept that VW screw people around either real or imagined (and I have seen cases of both) over issues and I accept that there really are issues that need to be addressed. What bothers me is that an almost unrelated story has driven the media and public into a frenzy with questionable reporting cherry picking "facts" to get a good story then vaguely linking back to the original story.

After all, the sky is blue, I drive a blue car, my mother also drives a car, which she drove to the air port to get onto a plane and the plane flies in the sky (which is blue if you remember correctly), sometimes they serve breakfast… therefore bacon is awesome… (OK, maybe it's not quite that blatant, but that's how I'm starting to read these things).

[ill0gitech]

It's also worth mentioning (unless you're in the media where headlines and readers are more important than presenting all of the facts) is that just because she's going to consider further evidence, doesn't mean she will necessarily take it into account.

It would be difficult to ignore given the media attention and number of VW owners with issues, so there may be some consideration taken, but at the end of the day, a DSG gearbox in later model cars that overheat and may cause electrolysis, is a significantly different problem to this particular fatality.

[Rileyowner]

Given we know SFA about the coronial inquest it's impossible to draw any conclusions from this "new" information.



I do wonder what level of evidence needs to be presented to allow the coroner to rule the car was at fault?

Does the car log a fault for bulbs out? Or is it a just a warning when the bulbs are out? It is possible the lights were simply not working and the driver did brake for some reason? Can/did the crash investigators check if the bulbs were working before the crash? What information does the computer log before/after a crash?
All questions we, as the public, will likely never get an answer to.

From the ABC story quoting the family's lawyer: "So the family were seeking some answers and instead of getting the answers, they were dealing with a very secretive organisation that wasn't going to reveal coded information which was stored on the car's computer.
Right from the start VW has been less than forthcoming and that has made the family more suspicious."

I think they have every right to be deeply suspicious.