DSG woes in The Age

[RoknRob]

Not news, but another take...

Drive - Audi Recall | Volkswagen DSG Recall Extends to Audi

[Cossor]

[U][B]When one of the injectors fail, the whole car shuts down - often while driving - including the power steering.

I have found with my Passat 130TDI that when waiting at traffic lights, about to make a LH turn, the engine stops.
OK this is Blue motion in action. BUT then the steering returns to neutral, VERY firmly.

So what would happen if engine shutdown occurred while driving?

Frankly, I am now nervous

[Hillbilly]

[U][B]When one of the injectors fail, the whole car shuts down - often while driving - including the power steering.

I have found with my Passat 130TDI that when waiting at traffic lights, about to make a LH turn, the engine stops.
OK this is Blue motion in action. BUT then the steering returns to neutral, VERY firmly.

So what would happen if engine shutdown occurred while driving?

Frankly, I am now nervous

Strange Mine has never done that Just keep brake on lightly and dont stop motor in that stuation

[gavs]

Strange Mine has never done that Just keep brake on lightly and dont stop motor in that stuation

Is yours a bluemotion with stop start though? Because if it is and the engine keeps running when stopped, might want to head to a dealership.....

[Hillbilly]

Is yours a bluemotion with stop start though? Because if it is and the engine keeps running when stopped, might want to head to a dealership.....

Yes as posted in my sig and if you dont hold brake on hard the engine doesnt stop or if it has you can start it again by lifting the foot a bit to still hold the brake on but not hard enough to turn the motor off. If you know the area you live in you can anticipate at the lights by lifting your foot a bit before lights change and so avoid a delay in getting going when the green comes on and the motor has been stopped.

Tells you that in the manual or literature about the car.

[wai]

The following notifications came through on the Recalls iPhone app.

PRA number: 13627
Date created: 11 June 2013

Volkswagen Golf, Jetta, EOS, Passat & Caddy Vehicles

Product description
6 speed DSG DQ250 control unit for the direct shift gearbox

Campaign number 37E8
Target: 4591
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PRA number: 13626
Date created: 12 June 2013

Volkswagen Polo, Golf, Golf Wagon, Golf Cabriolet, Jetta, EOS, Passat & Caddy Vehicles

Product description
A letter is being sent to affected owners of the vehicles...

Identifying features
35C1
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On my way back from friends this evening there was an item on the radio where the recall has extended to 1750 Skoda and 6000 Audi vehicles as well.

I also see that VW have announced a similar action in NZ.

[Hillbilly]

Just got an Email from VW that contains this Notice it says GEARBOX UNIT

As part of this continued commitment, we will voluntarily recall 25,928 vehicles fitted with a
7-speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) transmission (DQ200).

The recall will be conducted across Golf, Jetta, Polo, Passat and Caddy models produced between June 2008 and September 2011.

If your vehicle is affected, we will formally contact you in July to schedule an appointment for inspection and replacement of necessary parts. Replacement of the gearbox unit will be free of charge. Please be assured that you can continue to drive your vehicle as usual until the appointment.

This recall does not affect any Volkswagen vehicles currently being produced or sold.

[XXX-1.8T]

The following notifications came through on the Recalls iPhone app.

PRA number: 13627
Date created: 11 June 2013

Volkswagen Golf, Jetta, EOS, Passat & Caddy Vehicles

Product description
6 speed DSG DQ250 control unit for the direct shift gearbox

Campaign number 37E8
Target: 4591
============================================
PRA number: 13626
Date created: 12 June 2013

Volkswagen Polo, Golf, Golf Wagon, Golf Cabriolet, Jetta, EOS, Passat & Caddy Vehicles

Product description
A letter is being sent to affected owners of the vehicles...

Identifying features
35C1
============================================

On my way back from friends this evening there was an item on the radio where the recall has extended to 1750 Skoda and 6000 Audi vehicles as well.

I also see that VW have announced a similar action in NZ.

That is incorrect the 6 speed has not been recalled

[VWDSGissue]

That is incorrect the 6 speed has not been recalled

I have a 6 speed DSG with a juddering/shuddering issue.

The ACCC Recall app is saying the 6 speed has been recalled. The link points to this page:
Volkswagen—Volkswagen Golf, Jetta, EOS, Passat & Caddy Vehicles

Volkswagen—Volkswagen Golf, Jetta, EOS, Passat & Caddy Vehicles
PRA number: 2013/13625
Date published: 3rd November 2009
Product information
Product description
6 speed DSG DQ250 control unit for the direct shift gear box
Identifying features
Campaign number: 37E8
Target: 4591
What are the defects?
The direct shift gearbox (DSG) may read the clutch temperature incorrectly and activate the clutch protection function. This will illuminate a flashing gear warning light and cause juddering of the vehicle, a reduction in engine torque, and opening of the clutch, reduction of engine torque an opening of clutch (no drive).
What are the hazards?
Loss of power to the wheels may in certain circumstances pose a hazard to the vehicle occupants and other road users.
Where the product was sold

Nationally

Traders who sold this product
Volkswagen authorised dealers
Supplier
Volkswagen Group Australia
What should consumers do?
A letter has been sent to affected owners. Customers can contact their local dealer to arrange for a vehicle check-up, and if necessary, repair of the fault.

It is strange that it has a 2013 reference number: "PRA number: 2013/13625" but also says "3rd November 2009".

Can someone explain this? The media seems to be concentrating on the 7 speed DSG. I see plenty of other 6 speed DSG owners complaining of issues. I am in an ongoing discussion with VW on my 6 speed issue. I have not had any response to my emails since this blew up in the media, 2 weeks ago.

Any assistance is appreciated.

[nomadx38]

And Gavs there are certain conditions that have to be met for the blue motion to work. If the engine is cold, if the battery is low, if the system was just used, or the following items are on consuming a lot of power it will usually keep the engine running (or the charge that it has saved up is chewed up within seconds - thus starting the engine automatically):

Radio
Lights
Interior fans
Heated seats
12v sockets

Or if the Air conditioning compressor is on - it will never turn off the engine.

I also think if the gearbox is in N on DSG cars it will not turn off the engine. With manual cars it MUST be in N for the system to work.

Also the blue motion disable button will obviously stop the system running (but its position is reset every ignition cycle) so you can't keep it off permanently.

Apparently there is option in VCDS that can fix that though which is a must have. How can you expect to get a quick start every time if it keeps turning off the engine. Not to mention starter motor life expectancy and everything else that is put under stress at ignition.