buying a new car dilemma

[Hphan]

Not to be rude, but you're a damn fool.

I very highly doubt you're a safe and responsible driver.
You certainly don't come across as a motoring enthusiast; more of a spoilt brat.

"spoilt brat" shouldnt be calling people names when you dont know anything about them.
maybe i didnt make myself clear enough. the car will be paid for by me with my own money. and no i did not get that money from selling drugs or robbing a bank! i'd much spend my hard enred money on a good reliable car stright away rather than wasting a few grand buying a bomb.

[Jace]

"spoilt brat" shouldnt be calling people names when you dont know anything about them.
maybe i didnt make myself clear enough. the car will be paid for by me with my own money. and no i did not get that money from selling drugs or robbing a bank! i'd much spend my hard enred money on a good reliable car stright away rather than wasting a few grand buying a bomb.

Fair enough. If you want a 'good, reliable car', don't know why on earth you'd consider a new Golf GTI.

[Hphan]

As far as I know P platers in Sydney are also not able to drive a GTI.

Restrictions:
A summary of the special licence conditions for L and P drivers and riders

And the latest list I could find with a quick search:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...icles_list.pdf
(Page 104 lists a whole bunch of vehicles)

I thought there was a list of turbo cars on the list that P platers could drive that had very small engines with a turbo for efficiency and I thought *think* that includes the new MK6, although don't quote me on that and check with the relevant local authorities.

As for insurance, you can probably get insurance to drive a Turbo car (since there are exemptions available) although since you don't actually have an exemption the insurance company *may* well be within their rights to void your insurance even if the vehicle is properly listed and the policy paid up when you have an accident.

As for the Police. I'm sure there are many people out there that drive cars they shouldn't be and don't get caught, same as I'm sure there are plenty of people who drive unregistered or uninsured without issue. That doesn't make it right.

Do your time like everyone else then get into something faster, or if you really can't wait get something slow and cheap to drive to and from work and put the money you would have spent on a GTI into a track car and go nuts on the track.

thank you
finally someone who bothered to answer the question and not just straight away think "hoon" because they see "p plater" and "turbo" in the same sentence.
as far as i know the gti is legal in sydney as it is considered economical. there was an article on Car Advice | News | Reviews | Blog which said VWA had a meeting with rta and convinced them grant p platers and exemption to drive the gti. however i live in vic and the law is different.
maybe i should just take your advice and just "do my time"
cheers for the help mate

Fair enough. If you want a 'good, reliable car', don't know why on earth you'd consider a new Golf GTI.

I'm actually looking for a mk5 GTI. i might be good at saving up, but not 40-50k good.

[The_Hawk]

I can 100% guarantee that the GTI IS NOT legal for a P plater in NSW. The allowances that were being talked about were only for the small engined vehicles not the performance variants like the GTI.

[Hphan]

I can 100% guarantee that the GTI IS NOT legal for a P plater in NSW. The allowances that were being talked about were only for the small engined vehicles not the performance variants like the GTI.

my mistake, just found the article again, yes you are right, it is just the smaller engine turbos such as the 1.4 tsi. i guess my mate who is driving his gti in sydney is illegaly driving it then...

[VW Convert]

my mistake, just found the article again, yes you are right, it is just the smaller engine turbos such as the 1.4 tsi. i guess my mate who is driving his gti in sydney is illegaly driving it then...

If your mate is on P plates this would be correct and the implications are:-

1. If he gets picked up by the cops he can be charged with driving unlicensed &
2. If he has an accident and is at fault, his insurance company will refuse to pay which will leave him liable to pay for the damage to both his and any other vehicle or property involved.

Ask yourself the questions, "Is it worth the risk?" "Am I willing to spend years paying off the debt that I will incur if this happens?"

[AusScare]

Coming from someone who is a P plater with a full time job, I can assure you that you don't want to be putting every last dollar you earn into a loan to pay the car off. I work with guys who have $30k loans and live pay cheque to pay cheque. You might be able to pay it off, but you don't want to be spending everything on just a loan, it'll get old fast.

If you're keen on going fast, do what I've done, buy a reasonable daily that you can afford to change the tyres on, then splurge a little on a track car that has endless possibilities and lots of options for small or big budgets. No loans, no trouble from the Police, no worries...

[Back Door Shenanigans.]

thank you
finally someone who bothered to answer the question and not just straight away think "hoon" because they see "p plater" and "turbo" in the same sentence.
as far as i know the gti is legal in sydney as it is considered economical. there was an article on Car Advice | News | Reviews | Blog which said VWA had a meeting with rta and convinced them grant p platers and exemption to drive the gti. however i live in vic and the law is different.
maybe i should just take your advice and just "do my time"
cheers for the help mate


I'm actually looking for a mk5 GTI. i might be good at saving up, but not 40-50k good.

It wasn't due to the 'p plater' or 'turbo', it was due to the way you write and how you act and everything. You came across as a typical douche bag who just wants to go fast but has no idea. (Note i said came doesn't mean you are, Also those douche bags are very common on forums who then react when ever someone says their a douche)

Also as said above, The police will bring up your licence plate which will tell them anything they need to know.

Why not go for a mk4 r32 or 4mo bora. Both N/A, Got good power and '4wd'. Good interiors and exteriors and can be made to handle and go quite fast (turbo'd can get to 500+ hp with $10k)

[Hphan]

It wasn't due to the 'p plater' or 'turbo', it was due to the way you write and how you act and everything. You came across as a typical douche bag who just wants to go fast but has no idea. (Note i said came doesn't mean you are, Also those douche bags are very common on forums who then react when ever someone says their a douche)

Also as said above, The police will bring up your licence plate which will tell them anything they need to know.

Why not go for a mk4 r32 or 4mo bora. Both N/A, Got good power and '4wd'. Good interiors and exteriors and can be made to handle and go quite fast (turbo'd can get to 500+ hp with $10k)

thanks for your post mate. yeah i kinda see where your coming from after re-reading the whold thrread again. i do come a long a douche. i guess its cause i've been on the ozhonda and tocau forum for a while and the majority of the people on there are mostly p platers like myself. while the people on this forum are more mature (i'm assuming since vw cars are aimed at the more high classed market) and hence would take the question more seriously.
i just got really annoyed at how people called me a spoilt brat etc, not knowing that i will be paying for the car myself with the money i made.

as for buying a new car, the mk4 r32 is a great N/A car, but not very fuel effiecint as the gti. i've decided to just drive around something cheap and save up some more for a golf R or whatever comes out in the next few years...