Best looking .:R

[Spyda]

Why are we comparing Holdens with VWs again? From a business point of veiw they are completly different products.
From what i see a HSV is a cheap car that goes as fast or faster than expensive cars. Its selling point is that if you want a car that can go that fast you have to spend twise as much.
Where as the R36 is a fancy pants car that just happens to be a bit quick. Its selling point is buy it coz its a bit quick and a bit fancy and people will think you have more money than a HSV driver.

This doesnt apply to you tim but i jsut wana say that just because someone has worked in an industry for a long time doesnt mean they are experts in that industry. I dont work in the in car entertainment industry but i sure as **** know a **** load more that alot of people who do or people who claim they are experts.
e.g. if you have been working in an industry for you whole life and you have been **** at it, than you probly wont have any more knowledge than someone who does it as a hobbie for a couple of yrs.

[Rocket36]

A great example of that is car sales people. a LOT of them don't know the details of the products they're selling as well as the potential enthusiast customers... Note I said "a lot" of them, not "all" of them. There are some that know EVERYTHING about the product they're selling - as it should be really.

[Yevvy]

i'm just gonna hold my breath now...

[madglf3]

I chose the MkIV R, great looking cars with lots of cool stuff over the regular MkIVs. I'm not a mechanic or anything but that model is the model that I feel the most connection to.

I also think that this irrelevant argument HSV/Ford vs VW is stupid. The fact that this is an automotive forum (a VW one at that) means that it is inhabited by two main types of people:
a) people who come here to resolve issues or get information on the issues the may have with a new or used car (or prospective purchasers)
And
b) people who are die-hard car guys and girls who are really into VWs.

It's not hard to realise that the majority of threads in the newer model sections (and older too) are concerned with problems. Obviously not everyone who buys a new car goes onto a forum to sing its praise; they're wanting to solve issues and get advice. Thus there is an inbalance and we see more people with problems.