Running In procedure 103tdi

[duderduderini]

Hi Again.
With regards to the Motoman run in .. I accidentally did that a year back when running in my rotax racing kart. Normally you do 3 sessions of ten minutes throttle on throttle off with brakes and it makes me so sick (motion sickness) so I put on a small rear sprocket and after warming up just went out and "raced" the engine would load up because of the talll gearing and you couldnt rev it too hard cause you ran out of room on the straights.. hence i pretty much did the motoman run in because of my laziness but it worked.. the engine ran very strong all year so yes in a few days again i am running it in so I will do the Motoman method. Thanks for giving my lazy ass methodology a name (and I have been to his website.. good stuff)

Now back to oils. I contacted Castrol tech department today asking whether Changing oil too much caused wear due to detergents and the answer was a definite NO. The email encouraged me to ring there service tech to discuss further but i was on hold for 15 minutes so i gave up.. I will try again and report back.
According to Motoman one should change the oil real quick i think it was like a few hundred miles of first thrashing err loading it during run in.
So I might just do a quick oil change at say 250 miles?

[Transporter]

The old fashion 1000km is still OK, I wouldn't change the oil at 250km. But you can't hurt, like I said, even if you change it everyday.
Always do the filter as well.

[Ozsko]

Who doesn't believe oils aren't important in modern diesels? My son works for a Mazda dealer and a customer brought a diesel BT50 in as it was not very healthy and still under warranty. The car had been serviced religiously so no problems except that the guy servicing it had told the owner that he did not need to use the specified oil. 8.5 thousand dollars later he found out that due to not using the correct oil his warranty was null and void. My experience with late model Euro 5 trucks is that even at 70K kilometer service intervals the oil when laboratory tested was perfectly ok. Get over the fact that oils aren't oils, long service intervals do not cause issues due to the oils being synthetic and not mineral. There is more BS written about oil changes due to old ideas and a complete ignorance of modern oils technology than most other things. If you don't believe me then get the oil lab tested and they will give you the same story.

[Umai Naa!!]

According to VW, following the run-in methods outlined in the owner's manual is the go.

Furthermore, they also recommend NOT changing the oil within the first 15,000klms. Top it up with 504/507 sure, but don't replace it.

[Transporter]

Who doesn't believe oils aren't important in modern diesels? My son works for a Mazda dealer and a customer brought a diesel BT50 in as it was not very healthy and still under warranty. The car had been serviced religiously so no problems except that the guy servicing it had told the owner that he did not need to use the specified oil. 8.5 thousand dollars later he found out that due to not using the correct oil his warranty was null and void. My experience with late model Euro 5 trucks is that even at 70K kilometer service intervals the oil when laboratory tested was perfectly ok. Get over the fact that oils aren't oils, long service intervals do not cause issues due to the oils being synthetic and not mineral. There is more BS written about oil changes due to old ideas and a complete ignorance of modern oils technology than most other things. If you don't believe me then get the oil lab tested and they will give you the same story.

You're comparing comercial vehicle driven all day to the car that is driven 1/2 hour in the morning and 1/2 hour in the afternoon under completaly different conditions.

That modern oil technology was engines black death in 70s and 80s in late 90s they renamed it to engine sludge and still less than 10 years ago VW was ordered by US courts to pay for the damages on engines caused by prolonged oil changes. Let me point out to you that, the same happened to MB, Saab and Toyota to name a few. I like the cars they build but, if they got everything that right incl. + 15,000km oil changes, how come they have the engines that are using more oil than the 2 strokes engines? Just ask many Polo owners. The engine failures on massive scale in the brand new cars just ask many Golf6 118TSI owners and not just engines, the DSG transmissions, 6 speed autos in T5s, dont get many T5 owners started on that, becuse you would really get their blood pressure high if you ask them how is their water pump doing in their 128kw engine, ask them how much it cost them to fix the 6 speed auto and you could could be blamed for their heart attack, the unit injectors in 125kW TDIs, ignition coils in TSI engines, leaking water pumps in less than 75000km almost in every engine that VW builds and heaps of other faults.

OTHERS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ADD TO THIS LIST OF FAULTS.

We have 6 VAG cars in family, 6 different drivers, I change the oil in them every 6 months or 7500km which ever comes first and I dont top up engine oil in them because there is no need for it.

So, yeah trust the engeeniers who designed it with all these faults inbuild, but no fixes. Inbuild obsolescence is the term for it where extended oil changes and life time oil fills go hand in hand.

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[Ozsko]

Transporter, you need to get a job advising VW and every other company about oils as they obviously know nothing at all. You are a typical product of the motor industry who will not adapt to new ideas and you then propagate those ideas to every person who will listen. I don't care how many VW's you own. The oil sludging you are talking about was not in diesel engines so don't compare the two, it was in petrol motors and Toyotas were really good at it. The guy who serviced the Mazda was just like you, he knew it all as well and look what happened to that.

[bluey]

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...ine-12575.html

The real article is a link away from that forum thread.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...esel-1236.html

Specifically, does "warm" mean warm water temperature or warm oil temperature. Not having had an oil temp gauge before, I see it takes a lot longer for oil temp to come up than water temp.

[Buller_Scott]

Transporter, you need to get a job advising VW and every other company about oils as they obviously know nothing at all. You are a typical product of the motor industry who will not adapt to new ideas and you then propagate those ideas to every person who will listen. I don't care how many VW's you own. The oil sludging you are talking about was not in diesel engines so don't compare the two, it was in petrol motors and Toyotas were really good at it. The guy who serviced the Mazda was just like you, he knew it all as well and look what happened to that.

mate i appreciate where you're coming from, but this doesnt have to become personal at all... i think you've got something to contribute so please dont shoot yourself in the foot by letting things get insulting etc...

unfortunately, at the end of the day, we in the aussie VW tdi scene, as a whole, will not really come as close to perfection as the tdiclub boys, with their testing different oils and different oil change intervals under different driving conditions and getting used oil analysis multiple times to ascertain what the best combination of oil+interval+driving style+load may be for their car.

here, it's more a case of word-of-mouth, conferring with acquaintances, and deciding where to go from there.

for what it's worth, and once again i dont have the link, but i spent quite a while reading up on it on tdiclub about 40,000km's ago - and i read enough data etc to convince me personally that longer oil change intervals will be better for reducing engine and cam lobe wear. from now on, it will be 20,000km oil change intervals minimum - next one i do will probably be after the 30,000km mark.

i use VERY little oil, by the way - i maybe have to top up half a litre to 1 litre between each oil change, at most.

[bluey]

According to VW, following the run-in methods outlined in the owner's manual is the go.

Furthermore, they also recommend NOT changing the oil within the first 15,000klms. Top it up with 504/507 sure, but don't replace it.

I thought diesels have a special running in oil, than permits a little more wear than a full synthetic 507 oil. So yes, don't change the oil in a diesel until 15,000km.

Availability of 507 synthetic oils is limited. The special Castrol one provided by VW dealers is not available retail last I looked. Shell Helix Ultra has one 507 oil.

[Transporter]

Transporter, you need to get a job advising VW and every other company about oils as they obviously know nothing at all. You are a typical product of the motor industry who will not adapt to new ideas and you then propagate those ideas to every person who will listen. I don't care how many VW's you own. The oil sludging you are talking about was not in diesel engines so don't compare the two, it was in petrol motors and Toyotas were really good at it. The guy who serviced the Mazda was just like you, he knew it all as well and look what happened to that.

I bow before your superior knowledge and abilities to judge people over the internet.