Gotta love Tdi economy

[GoLfMan]

anything illegal about setting it up yourself? the hardest part would surely be figuring out the filling system right?

im not sure legalities, but insurance may have something to do with it?!

i like the idea of more power, i love my TDI and anything that gives it even more oomph and economy is a winner for me

[pjbplumbing@bigpond.com]

Good Question gld,
Here in the land of Oz - no we cant do it our selves, has to be installed by a licenced auto spanner. The vehicle must then be stamped with what amounts to a compliance plate. The cylinder also needs to be inspected every few years - cant remember how often.
I know in England you can fit a full system complete - odd; as I use to think when I lived in UK that England was a "Nanny State".. I am wondering about here now????
The Diesel conversion- depending on the system you use - is actually easier to install than a petrol/LPG system. Because, some of the diesel conversions use just the gas coming off out of the LPG cylinder to inject into the motor - which shows just how little gas these systems use - almost nothing.
Whereas a petrol/LPG uses a large volume of LPG and so needs to heat the liquid LPG to quickly convert it back to a gas.
So this means some of the Diesel conversions have very few parts.
One such typical system is here
A more elaborate conversion using sequential injection system can be found here
It is this system that I would prefer myself; more expensive but has a lot more features, ie; use the brake or off the gas pedal and the LPG is switched off.
Doesn't sound much but it means your gas supply is extended further, making your range even greater. This system also uses LPG at idle; making the idle smoother and transition from standing start better. And there are more features, etc, etc. But this system uses a converter (heater) to heat the liquid LPG.

[Spoddy]

I have requested info from ....

Here are the details submitted by the website user:
Name: Steve
Vehicle: 2007 Golf 2.0l TDI
Email:
State: NSW
Comments: Can conversions be done to a Golf? Does installation impact on manufacturer's warranty?
Where would the gas bottle go in a Golf?
Cost for a Golf?

Lets see what happens.

Well they are not very good at selling their products....

Pricing starts from $4500 inc GST. We can fit a tank under the rear (but I
think we need to mod the exhaust).

I do not know VW's warranty policy.

If diesel gas is easier to install they are just ripping us off at $4500

[Logzy]

Well they are not very good at selling their products....




If diesel gas is easier to install they are just ripping us off at $4500

Since the government started offering the $2000 rebate the installers have been charging an extra $1000 - $2000 for an installation.

[pjbplumbing@bigpond.com]

As I have already tried to explain there are what amounts to, two diffferent gas systems for the Diesel; one uses pressure feedback from the inlet manifold while the other systems use a more complicated system using a ECU to control the gas.
It is the second system that Spoddy has asked for a quote for.
Also as I have said before, these guys are run off their feet and the fact that you even got a reply at all surprises me.
The cheaper system ( the pressure sensor one) goes for around $3800.00 less rebate.

[Greg Roles]

Since the government started offering the $2000 rebate the installers have been charging an extra $1000 - $2000 for an installation.

Well dude you can always wait till the rebate runs out, and it goes back to the same difference!

But yeah it's a bit rude all the same....somewhat like rainwater tanks me thinks. I just got a quote to plumb mine to the dunny, a job I could so easily do myself for about $100, and it was $770....

Any plumbers from Brissie out there?? I'll do all the work, you check it, and charge something a bit more sensible for 10mins of your time???

[bluey]

Multi-cell aluminium tanks look interesting - choose your own size from 102mm thick, multiple width and custom length.
http://www.propaneperformance.com/html/index.htm

Apparently, there are issues with roadworthiness of diesel-LPG systems post 2003.
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21141
To be legal,
a. installation has to be according to the relevant AS1425.
b. a type installation has to be tested/certified to comply with ADR79/00 or ADR79/01 for emissions

To date, none of the diesel-LPG systems has been emissions certified.

Does anyone have any information about the various diesel-LPG systems? - d-gas; dieselgas; dieselongas; ecoshot(powershot USA)

d-gas supplies kits - implying one can self-install perhaps and have the installation certified by an appropriate person or alternatively, do most of the work and leave the final connections and inspection to a licenced person.

[silvershadow]

How good is the MY09 EOS TDI/DSG?

A 500Km trip to Newcastle and back yesterday gave some very interesting fuel consumption results from the trip computer for a vehicle that only has 1500Km on the clock:

Average fuel consumption for entire trip: 4.8 litres/100km [400Km highway, 100km city driving]

Worst average fuel consumption: 5.0 litres/100Km [city peak hour traffic with air-conditioning working continuously]

Best average consumption: 4.6 litres/100Km [40Km of continuous 80 K/hr cruising due to roadwork speed restriction - A/C cycling]

The following link is great for converting fuel consumption/distances from metric to imperial or vice-versa including the UK/US gallon conversion for any international readers:

http://www.eforecourt.com/l_100km_mpg_convert.htm

TDI/DSG take a bow....... .

[gregozedobe]

TDI/DSG take a bow.......

Before you get TOO excited you might want to fill your tank and calculate what your consumption actully was. VAG cars MFDs are notoriously optimistic (in my TDI's case usually 10-20% better than what my real consumption is).

That said, the TDIs are known to get some really good figures, particularly if you manage to be gentle with the right foot.

[silvershadow]

Before you get TOO excited you might want to fill your tank and calculate what your consumption actully was. VAG cars MFDs are notoriously optimistic (in my TDI's case usually 10-20% better than what my real consumption is).

That said, the TDIs are known to get some really good figures, particularly if you manage to be gentle with the right foot.

I am too old to trust these new-fangled devices .

I am doing an old-fashioned manual consumption check concurrently as well - the car only has 1600Km on the clock so this is for interest only - the real consumption will not be evident until it reaches 20,000+Km.

The MY09 TDI has more torque and almost no traditional diesel noise compared to the MY08 Eos I took for a full day extended test drive before we ordered the car.