Diesel Prices today wtf??? 30c dearer than regular ULP

[cetane]

Do you have a link to one of these?

Couldn`t you import one and get em copied and made here?

Loon... the entrepreneur!

Actually, a good mate of mine is working on such a device right now. It's been trialled and it works. He and a couple of boffins at Hobart Uni are building a full scale plant that will turn virtually anything with a high hydrocarbon (fat/wax/oil) content into biodiesel. They already have customers such as abattoirs ready to install the plant and turn tallow and other fat waste into fuel. (Did you know that butchers have to pay for the disposal of their waste fat trimmings?)

[OilBurna]

the bp refinery in brisbane is making a biodiesel from tallow (ie from cows) already...

[Greg Roles]

So we can run it in summer here then with no mods?

OK I found the info on why VW doesn't recommend bio. First the upgraded fuel heater as bio solidifies more readily than dino diesel. Secondly, here's the extract from the DPF tech bulletin page 33:

"Operation with biodiesel is not possible. The extended injection period for active regeneration of the DPF can lead to unburnt fuel on the cylinder wall entering the engine oil from the piston movement. Normal diesel fuel vaporises itself out of the oil in normal operating conditions. Biodiesel cannot do this effectively due to it's higher boiling point. The oil is thinned as a result, which can lead to engine damage.

Further if the fuel contians a high level of sulphur, this can lead to impaired function of the DPF with higher fuel consumption as a result of increased regeneration."

It seems the DPF regeneration cycle actively reduces the throttle valve ( air in ), turns off the EGR cooler ( hotter exhaust recycling ) and overinjects diesel all in the name of raising exhaust temps for 10 minutes to burn off carbon buildup in the DPF. It does mention turbo pressures are "adjusted" so the driver notices no performance difference ( interesting!! ) This happens only when the sensors before and after notice a blockage. Removal of the DPF and leaving these sensors to continually monitor a non DPF exhaust section would probably mean this active burn off would never happen. Still if you ran an EGT gauge, I see no reason you couldn't allow for "oil thinning" by watching for any active burn off attempts.

So Steve, seems if you really want to run Bio, ditch the DPF, make sure your fuel heater is up to the task, and make sure the dealer doesn't catch on. Once my car belongs to me in a few years, and I move on from my current "drive a lot" sales role, my golf will become a bio convert, and hopefully a nicely performing one!

[Greg Roles]

Do you have a link to one of these?

Couldn`t you import one and get em copied and made here?

If you have a look there are plenty being made here already, but I am looking for the more "pretty" and consumer friendly unit I saw a few months back. Trendy people wouldn't be into the agricultural looking ones presently available!

Seems as Autospeed so rightly point out, the problem is finding and collecting the waste oil etc to be used for production. Seems as oil prices rise, this will become more and more sought after.

Perhaps I can start a bio diesel machine import business, and a smiths crisps factory at the same time....hmmm

Anyone own a fish and chip shop??

[origin]

Ahh ahhh,

Finally someone got it..If I put 50ppm diesel ... I need to drive it like maniac

as long doesn't void my warranty... I am fine with it....


Logzy ....We don't have much choice.....only BP.......not like oils , VW is void your warranty for wrong oil...but ain;t diesel....


I guess 7eleven $1.51c......gone.....hopefully next month....

[Greg Roles]

Dude, anyone who thinks it's cool to visably pollute and contribute to the crap I have to breathe in when I am out exercising gets my contempt.

[OilBurna]

mine has no dpf and they still reccommend no bio diesel has a sticker inside the cap. Must be to do with sulphur levels. If you want to risk your engine go for it.

[Logzy]

Ahh ahhh,

Finally someone got it..If I put 50ppm diesel ... I need to drive it like maniac

as long doesn't void my warranty... I am fine with it....


Logzy ....We don't have much choice.....only BP.......not like oils , VW is void your warranty for wrong oil...but ain;t diesel....


I guess 7eleven $1.51c......gone.....hopefully next month....

God your posts are bloody hard for me to understand.

[Greg Roles]

Well I just got a phonecall from a lady at the AAAC fuel watchdog that I followed the link here to, and we had a decent chat. I'm quite impressed they take the time to call people personally, or perhaps it's the fact I didn't just write " It's fa rked". Anyway the bottom line was:

As the servo industry is deregulated, servo's can charge what they want. All the AAAC is going to do is have a diesel specific watchdog and monitoring site up by years end, listing specific businesses. Seems they are powerless to put pressure on anyone inflating fuel prices.

Secondly she did point out the fact it is all to do with the Singapore price index as previously mentioned. When I asked about the fact that both low sulphur and high octane ULP basically come from the higher grades of crude, she agreed the price difference isn't really fair.

She did say my point of other departments such as the aircare push and the whole environmental / impact side of things was a great point and was being passed up the chain. She thought if the departments concerned with pollution, emissions etc got involved, there would be more power to try and find reason to favor the latest wave of lower polluting euro diesels arriving on our shores. I pointed out people were actually choosing higher emission vehicles in my little VW world, purely based on diesel costs. She took note of that, and that seemed to be the main reason I got the call.

Anyone else get called, or did you all give them a serve?

[STV4SYT]

Yeah, they called me on tuesday, but i was'nt in a position to have too much of a chat but she basically told me the same thing.

At least they are aware of it, and have the decency to chat to people about it.

BTW i found a trucking magazine in work, and the gov't subsidises diesel by 18.51c per litre. They are talking about removing it, then there will be more impact. though as it is a fixed rebate, 18.51 off diesel at $1 is the same saving as off $1.70 so it is still hurting. surprised more hasnt been done by the trucking industry.