2 stroke oil (2SO) as an additive to diesel fuel

[CardinalSin]

An important point in these discussions is that most of us have tried the various additives to test the claims on the container.
From my experience it's been largely a waste of money because nothing claimed seems to happen but you assume it must have been of some benefit because it said so on the label.
That's why 2SO stands out because, compared to the shelf additives that disappoint, the change was magical and it makes you want to share the experience. Especially when I have yet to find any negatives and it actually saves money.
I'll check that claim.
600km @ 6.3L/100km = 37.8L @ $1.50 per L = $56.70
600km @ 6.7L/100km = 40.2L @ $1.50 per L = $60.30
Saving $3.60
200ml of 2SO at $12 per L = $2.40 in bulk that would be $1.20 and there's another 3km from the extra 200ml of fuel too.
Net saving $1.20 to $2.40 + 200ml extra fuel = $1.39 to $2.59
Hopefully those calculations are correct.

[Ryeman]

To me, at least, I ask myself why the brands all have the same basic chemistry?
Why doesn't one 'break ranks' and add it to the basic stock supply and market it as a 'breakthrough'?
Is 2so used as a diesel additive in Europe frinstance?
I'm not being argumentative just trying to 'try' all the facts. (cos I could be tempted when it's out of warranty)

[brad]

To me, at least, I ask myself why the brands all have the same basic chemistry?
Why doesn't one 'break ranks' and add it to the basic stock supply and market it as a 'breakthrough'?
Is 2so used as a diesel additive in Europe frinstance?
I'm not being argumentative just trying to 'try' all the facts. (cos I could be tempted when it's out of warranty)

Because it would cause a momentary blip in sales but ultimately be self-defeating?

Have you ever worked in an industry that develops / sells products? Generally you'll have a low price / low profit product line, then a higher profit superior line.

Water is probably a good example. We can all get it out of a tap for about $2.30/ kL but the same thing in a bottle is 2.30/L. The people selling the bottled water aren't going to say it's just water that brad has dipped his arms in (I did that last Tuesday Sydney-siders - hope you like the taste) in so suddenly it's spring water or 100% pure rainwater or vitamin water with special powers.

Judging by your previous posts, you are very conservative with these things so I doubt using 2SO is for you (nothing wrong with that). I think you'd be overly worried.

[CardinalSin]

To me, at least, I ask myself why the brands all have the same basic chemistry?
Why doesn't one 'break ranks' and add it to the basic stock supply and market it as a 'breakthrough'?
Is 2so used as a diesel additive in Europe frinstance?
I'm not being argumentative just trying to 'try' all the facts. (cos I could be tempted when it's out of warranty)

It's used as a diesel additive all over the world and there are members of this forum that use it in their petrol engines for the same reasons, just a lower amount.
Just google something like "2 stroke oil in diesel engines" and read through the experiences of others. You might then decide to try it.
If it does only add benefits and there are no negatives how can it effect warranty? Any negatives expressed here have been pure speculation and in the real world, where people report their findings, they don't exist, at least not yet from my extensive reading.
Have a good google and if you find any negative experiences post them here.
The best the haters can manage and there are always haters, is to speculate on the negatives, rave about those that report no change and diagnose all positive results as being a figment of everyone's imagination because it doesn't match their speculation.

Anyway, have a read and perhaps then try it once when you fill up next time by adding 300ml just before the diesel goes in and see what you think. TC-W3 or JASO FC not fully synthetic. If you're worried about dobbers and I can understand that, please drop me a pm to let me know the results.

[Ryeman]

I'd love to see a 'double blind test' done on noise and economy frinstance.


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[CardinalSin]

I'd love to see a 'double blind test' done on noise and economy frinstance.


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You can do the noise test by picking someone who rides with you and going on about the engine noise so they are aware of it. Maybe keep saying 'do you think I should have got the petrol? Does this sound noisy to you?' That way they are aware, then slip the 2SO in and say, 'Do you think this has changed and got louder or quieter?'
Many posts contain the comment that their wife or whoever mentioned the engine was quieter, it was that pronounced and they hadn't mentioned doing anything.

For the economy just compare over time with and without. If your driving style is the same you know the results are real, whatever they might be?

Unless you subscribe to a conspiracy theory, that thousands of people have decided to pretend 2SO gives benefits, it's reasonable to assume their comments are genuine. If their findings were negative or neutral then that's what they would have posted. They don't get paid or get any other benefit.

As Brad said, it may not be for you. You seem to be talking yourself out of it and that's fair enough.

[Ryeman]

Nah! Just a cynical GOM


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[Ryeman]

I suspect it is to do with NOX emissions as to why it's not a spectrum standard.


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[kaanage]

You think the more complete combustion is due to the 2SO making the diesel burn hotter? Why is that?

As an aside, the moderators have asked us to limit discussion in this thread to findings and observations - your posts are very speculative.

[CardinalSin]

You think the more complete combustion is due to the 2SO making the diesel burn hotter? Why is that?

Those with an EGT gauge report much lower temperatures using 2SO, another indicator of the better combustion and cleaner exhaust.