The "What would you have done different" thread...

**booba** · 05-07-2012, 02:57 PM

I have heard this too, do you have any idea if my13 passat has kessy option?

Originally Posted by wandersen

The new CC has KESSY standard in Aus.

**Lance B** · 05-07-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by MJW

Wow!! Excuse my hesitation to accept this fact but I find that very hard to believe from a NA engine with less power that needs to rev to 7,000 rpm & then can only produce 234nm of torque. Bit suspect. If this was the case then I wonder why Honda don't produce any readily available performance figures given these amazing numbers?

Are there any offical times for the 3.6l V6 Passat 80-120kph acceleration times?

I think we need more facts. If they were both manuals and they were both in top gear or 4th gear or something (ie where the Mazda was off boost), then I can definitely imagine that the Honda could beat it.

**kleung** · 05-07-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by MJW

Wow!! Excuse my hesitation to accept this fact but I find that very hard to believe from a NA engine with less power that needs to rev to 7,000 rpm & then can only produce 234nm of torque. Bit suspect. If this was the case then I wonder why Honda don't produce any readily available performance figures given these amazing numbers?

I absolutely understand your skepticism. It's a shame that the original link is now broken, but I do remember seeing the article myself, way back when it was first posted. Yfin also established a reputation for himself on OzHonda as a knowledgable and objective poster, and was (maybe still is) a moderator on the Euro forum. I would have dismissed it as rabid fanboi-ism if it hadn't been posted by someone reputable like him.

It is also a fact that the Euro has an uncharacteristically (for Honda) fat midrange, so the result is at least possible.

Furthermore, you can do a bit of verification yourself - in 2 minutes of searching, I've found a number of videos of acceleration tests on Youtube of the CL9 Euro that show it accelerating between 80-120kmh in comfortably less than 6 seconds. A couple have some minor modifications (CAIs, exhausts, etc), but those mods would contribute a few points of a second at best.

Just out of interest, I did a bit of googling for the R36 80-120 acceleration tests as well, and got unverifiable results of between high 3s and mid 4-seconds.

**FSI 220** · 05-07-2012, 06:02 PM

This wasn't what I had in mind when I kicked this thread off.... "What you would have done differently" when buying your Passat....

But what the hey....

I have stepped out of turbo Subarus into the Passat after four long years walking through the valley of despair. (Toyota Kluger AWD, simultaneously the best car I have ever owned, and the least involved/most boring appliance I have ever driven... which makes it the perfect wife's car - safe, big, strong, reliable, set and forget for 400k km - unlike a volksie).

The Passat is equally the quickest humane car I have owned (on par with my boostmodded WRX), but feels much slower, much much slower. half of it is in the box. And yes, I eat my words from a few months ago...

You don't get that feeling of vertigo you get with boost, shift, boost, shift, boost, from a manual turbo... you don't even get that manual throwback of the neck on a manual NA shifting from the top RPM into the meat of the torque curve... the revs drop so quickly and the box shifts it just winds out.

My theory is that the gearbox is so good that each shift gains an average dumb punter like me a quarter of a second per shift... so if it is three shifts to 100, it would place a Passat as a 6.25 car... that would be slower than my REX was and about right for the KW graph numbers...

I also think the torque curve of a Passat is constrained, it doesn't look like a natural curve...

Also, when you own a turbo, you learn how to drive it... you don't get to know one intimately with a drive here and there... And if you really want to live with a dog, own a carby fed, ported, atmo, 13b in a 78 mazda coupe! (and try driving that in the rain!)

**MJW** · 05-07-2012, 07:19 PM

Enough said & well put.

Originally Posted by FSI 220

This wasn't what I had in mind when I kicked this thread off.... "What you would have done differently" when buying your Passat....

But what the hey....

I have stepped out of turbo Subarus into the Passat after four long years walking through the valley of despair. (Toyota Kluger AWD, simultaneously the best car I have ever owned, and the least involved/most boring appliance I have ever driven... which makes it the perfect wife's car - safe, big, strong, reliable, set and forget for 400k km - unlike a volksie).

The Passat is equally the quickest humane car I have owned (on par with my boostmodded WRX), but feels much slower, much much slower. half of it is in the box. And yes, I eat my words from a few months ago...

You don't get that feeling of vertigo you get with boost, shift, boost, shift, boost, from a manual turbo... you don't even get that manual throwback of the neck on a manual NA shifting from the top RPM into the meat of the torque curve... the revs drop so quickly and the box shifts it just winds out.

My theory is that the gearbox is so good that each shift gains an average dumb punter like me a quarter of a second per shift... so if it is three shifts to 100, it would place a Passat as a 6.25 car... that would be slower than my REX was and about right for the KW graph numbers...

I also think the torque curve of a Passat is constrained, it doesn't look like a natural curve...

Also, when you own a turbo, you learn how to drive it... you don't get to know one intimately with a drive here and there... And if you really want to live with a dog, own a carby fed, ported, atmo, 13b in a 78 mazda coupe! (and try driving that in the rain!)

**Lance B** · 05-07-2012, 10:11 PM

I'd have to agree. The R36 is the best all round car I have ever driven.

Originally Posted by FSI 220

This wasn't what I had in mind when I kicked this thread off.... "What you would have done differently" when buying your Passat....

But what the hey....

I have stepped out of turbo Subarus into the Passat after four long years walking through the valley of despair. (Toyota Kluger AWD, simultaneously the best car I have ever owned, and the least involved/most boring appliance I have ever driven... which makes it the perfect wife's car - safe, big, strong, reliable, set and forget for 400k km - unlike a volksie).

The Passat is equally the quickest humane car I have owned (on par with my boostmodded WRX), but feels much slower, much much slower. half of it is in the box. And yes, I eat my words from a few months ago...

You don't get that feeling of vertigo you get with boost, shift, boost, shift, boost, from a manual turbo... you don't even get that manual throwback of the neck on a manual NA shifting from the top RPM into the meat of the torque curve... the revs drop so quickly and the box shifts it just winds out.

My theory is that the gearbox is so good that each shift gains an average dumb punter like me a quarter of a second per shift... so if it is three shifts to 100, it would place a Passat as a 6.25 car... that would be slower than my REX was and about right for the KW graph numbers...

I also think the torque curve of a Passat is constrained, it doesn't look like a natural curve...

Also, when you own a turbo, you learn how to drive it... you don't get to know one intimately with a drive here and there... And if you really want to live with a dog, own a carby fed, ported, atmo, 13b in a 78 mazda coupe! (and try driving that in the rain!)