R36 MY10 changes.

[drbass]

Ahh, Rocket36,

The thin inner wall never actually fractures, therefore there is nothing to "seal". The main rubber of the tyre tread gets punctured, yes. But the thin inner ContiSeal layer doesn't. It streches but that's it. It's a technicality I know, but you can't "seal" something that's never "open" to start with. I guess you could consider the main tyre tread puncture as being "sealed" by the inner ContiSeal layer.

Remember, marketing jargon is written so everyone understands what is meant. You can choose to take it on face value, or you can choose to learn exactly how something works. Up to you.

Yet another reply with a number of statements in your unique style we all love.

I'm always happy to learn something new. Taking your advice dispensed so generously to me and Maverick I had a good look around, consulting a number of English and non-English sources. Guess what? Couldn't find anything that supports your statement regarding the "non-sealing" (because it stretches) of the thin inner layer.

It appears that you have a knack to find information that goes beyond "marketing jargon (that) is written so everyone understands". I for one would love to benefit from that, and I'm sure others wouldn't mind either.

No problem for you, I suppose, so how about you provide information (not just a statement) that unequivocally shows that the integrity of the inner layer (also referred to as ContiSeal) is not compromised at any time when objects with a diameter of up to 5 mm are penetrating the tyre. Or, just to make sure everyone understands, is not punctured.

Looking forward to your reply.

Regards,
Michael

[richdave]

Looking forward to your reply.

[G-rig]

It appears that you have a knack to find information that goes beyond "marketing jargon (that) is written so everyone understands". I for one would love to benefit from that, and I'm sure others wouldn't mind either.

Perhaps Conti should be done for false advertising..

Don't encourage him.

[Rocket36]

Hahahaha!

OK, here's a picture for those that think I'm wrong. As you can CLEARLY see, there is never ANYTHING that needs to be sealed. The function of the inner layer is designed so that a seal is alwasy maintained.

If there is a hole, it needs sealing. If there is never anywhere for the air to escape in the first place, then nothing needs to be sealed. It simply means the seal is maintained.

For it to be "self-sealing", you would have to be able to pull out the foreign object and have the hole seal itself. I.e. "self seal". Since the technology relies on the foreign object remaining in place, the seal is never actually beoken. The technology simply maintains a seal where other tyres can't.

[Rocket36]

or there's this link... watch the flash animation (top right). the seal is never actually broken...

http://www.conti-online.com/generato...erinfo_en.html

[Maverick]

Hahahaha!

OK, here's a picture for those that think I'm wrong. As you can CLEARLY see, there is never ANYTHING that needs to be sealed. The function of the inner layer is designed so that a seal is alwasy maintained.

If there is a hole, it needs sealing. If there is never anywhere for the air to escape in the first place, then nothing needs to be sealed. It simply means the seal is maintained.

For it to be "self-sealing", you would have to be able to pull out the foreign object and have the hole seal itself. I.e. "self seal". Since the technology relies on the foreign object remaining in place, the seal is never actually beoken. The technology simply maintains a seal where other tyres can't.

Take a look at what I posted earlier.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...2&postcount=15

http://www.conti-online.com/generato...tiseal_en.html

"ContiSeal™ tyres have a sticky, viscous layer from shoulder to shoulder that instantly seals punctures caused by nails and other objects up to 5mm in diameter. The layer temporarily seals the vast majority of tyre tread punctures.
The material in the sealant layer prevents air loss even if the penetrating object becomes dislodged. As a result there is no need to stop straight away or change the tyre immediately in the event of a puncture. Despite this, the tyre should be taken as soon as possible to a tyre specialist who can examine it to determine if it needs a permanent repair.

Holes are sealed even if the penetrating object becomes dislodged."

As you can see Rocket36 this clearly shows the foreign body can be removed, the product does in fact SEAL!

[Pana]

Wow....

So much discussion (or rather ) on whether a tyre stays sealed or seals itself.....

I don't visit the other rooms in the forum much but I wonder if they get so bogged down on detail like we Passat boys seem to do here.....

[drbass]

See, Rocket36,

That wasn't so difficult after all. Anyway, nice try but not quite there.

Couple of comments.

1) What's with the "hahahahahas"? We're trying to establish a fact, please go and frequent the humour section for laughs.

2) That picture looks impressive. The left object is certainly completely "coated" in the ContiSeal substance (or whatever it is, there's quite a few similar products out there). The right one, I'm not so sure.
Additionally, there are two things that need to be taken into account. First one is centrifugal force. The tyre is obviously not rotating. Don't underestimate the g-forces which are likely to "push" the gooey stuff down. Secondly, the tyre is obviously not pressurised. That nitrogen (in your case) or air (for common folk like me) pressure could potentially contribute to that process.

3) Nice Flash animation. Animations like that are normally simplified and not necessarily accurate reflections of what's going on. They're designed so that everyone can understand. Here's one (OK, not as pretty as the animated one) that clearly shows the object penetrating the ContiSeal layer: http://notchconsulting.wordpress.com...-to-run-flats/
Scroll down a little to see it. There you go. Marketing jargon, you can believe it or not, your choice, up to you.

In summary, you have provided one still photo taken in artificial circumstances (tyres spin and are inflated) where one object may or may not be covered in the goo. You further rely on a marketing animation as "evidence". Hmmm.

This does not unequivocally demonstrate that the integrity of the inner layer is never compromised which is what I wanted you to do.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt I was (honestly) expecting a little more. Of course your reply clearly shows that your statements (definitely in this thread, and probably in others as well) are based on opinions and marketing jargon. Now there's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't turn around and ridicule others giving their opinions and trying to find the truth behind the marketing. Isn't that what these discussions are about? Your choice, up to you.

Anyway, this simply confirms what I thought all along.

Oh, and pana, this is not about ContiSeal, it's about the principle. I would put a smiley here but we're not in the humour sectiion.

Regards,
Michael

[PassatB6]

This forum was once populated by reasonable people. Over the last few months a disruptive element has crept who lack of respect for other posters. As soon as one starts some of the others seem to arrive out of nowhere to encourage them.

[DJC]

This forum was once populated by reasonable people. Over the last few months a disruptive element has crept who lack of respect for other posters. As soon as one starts some of the others seem to arrive out of nowhere to encourage them.

I think is actually quite obvious what has happened here. "Someone" simply wont admit that they may be incorrect or made a simple mistake.

All in all the vast majority on here are not disruptive, but have not stood for incorrect information, which ever version you might wish to believe
There is nothing at all wrong with that, as we all benefit from the CORRECT information and make informed decisions!