Passat TFSI or 4 motion

[matto247]

Hey guys new to the forum and well jus turned 17 a couple of weeks ago and looking at a car now havnt decided yet but it's prty much golf/Jetta/passat

well I know like golf wud be the most fun passat wud be the most cruiser car and comfortable anyway bak to my question

is the 4 motion worth the extra 5-8g? I'm planning to remap the ecu with apr"s if I get the tfsi and I know that the 4motion uses the same engine as that off the r32s soo yeah is it worth it and any positives and negatives of the car in general?

Cheers

[h100vw]

Welcome to the forum.

I'd go the turbo, as you can get more performance from the software.

Gavin

[Swallowtail]

You're just 17 right? Please spend a couple of years learning how to drive properly before getting a high performance car - for the sake of other road users and your passengers. In Qld you wouldn't be able to buy a turbo car, and it's for good reasons. Stats on new. teenage drivers in fast cars are horrendous.

JMHO.

[Pana]

You're just 17 right? Please spend a couple of years learning how to drive properly before getting a high performance car - for the sake of other road users and your passengers. In Qld you wouldn't be able to buy a turbo car, and it's for good reasons. Stats on new. teenage drivers in fast cars are horrendous.

JMHO.

In what? Some old Corolla/VL-VN Commo/XF Falcon?

Personally, I reckon he'd be better off in a well engineered car like a Golf/Passat/Jetta rather than those older cars so if he (or mum and dad) can afford to get him something decent and new in the VW range, then I'm all for it.

- If he gets into trouble, he'll have more chance or surviving
- Grip levels are better and therefore the handling threshold is higher, therefore less likely to get into any issues.
- They're only 4 banger FWD/AWD cars - his bogan mates won't ask him to do burnouts when Wayne in his hektik VL with a dose pipe is more than happy to do them.

[Swallowtail]

Pana - no, and please don't put words into my mouth. I did not say anything about old cars. He obviously has the $ to buy a new car - which is fine, and safer than the cars you mention as you have commented. But a new driver in a 2.0 turbo VW? Cars capable of pulling sub 7 second 0-100 when modded like he is talking about? They are quick cars - much quicker than Wayne's sik VL..., and awd can give a sense of invincibility. And get an inexperienced driver into trouble and way past their skill level as quickly as it can help an experienced driver get out of trouble.

All I am saying is that there are plenty of new safe cars (including VWs) with get up and go that will be heaps of fun to learn how to drive in (and yes, I mean learn to drive - after a driver has got Ps) without buying a car with that amount of performance.

Again - JMHO...

[Golf Houso]

^^^ Completely agree, and its one of those cases where unless you compare it to something genuinely slow, you'll have no idea just how fast and capable these cars can be.

I went from a MK3 golf GL to a mint VR6 with a fresh motor (RE: 70,000km's) and have got myself into alot of trouble with it already, being only a year in and on my full license. Seriously mate, just get a diesel 103kw Passat and enjoy it!

[Yevvy]

completely agree with our moderators, especially on the awd part. 103tdi or 125tdi with some nice ooptions would be the best bet - still got enough punch, but not too fast "to get you into trouble".

[tryingavw]

Hey guys new to the forum and well jus turned 17 a couple of weeks ago and looking at a car now havnt decided yet but it's prty much golf/Jetta/passat

well I know like golf wud be the most fun passat wud be the most cruiser car and comfortable anyway bak to my question

is the 4 motion worth the extra 5-8g? I'm planning to remap the ecu with apr"s if I get the tfsi and I know that the 4motion uses the same engine as that off the r32s soo yeah is it worth it and any positives and negatives of the car in general?

Cheers

matt dont forget even if you get it cheaper the running costs of a passat/ golf etc will be quite high. So consider also the polo which is a great little fun car with good safety credentials. i bought one for my son 18 and he loves it even thuogh it only has a 1.4 engine. they also do a GTI

[Pana]

They are quick cars - much quicker than Wayne's sik VL..., and awd can give a sense of invincibility. And get an inexperienced driver into trouble and way past their skill level as quickly as it can help an experienced driver get out of trouble.

All I am saying is that there are plenty of new safe cars (including VWs) with get up and go that will be heaps of fun to learn how to drive in (and yes, I mean learn to drive - after a driver has got Ps) without buying a car with that amount of performance.

Again - JMHO...

A standard early model VN could get to a 100 in low 8's. A VL with just a little bit of work done to it will be quicker - as quick as a modded GTI if not faster. And anyway, if Perth is like NSW and Vic in terms of what cars p-platers drive, then a GTI and a turbo VL would be off limits anyway so it's irrelevant.

As for the other comments about how AWD is "bad" (invincibility) so if you had the choice of buying your child a car - you wouldn't get an AWD car because of what his/her perceived safety in the car would be? That's when your argument turns to blaming the car for killing rather than the driver.

Education is the key - send them to a defensive driving course so they can see the limits and what happens when you break them.

P.S. Just asking a question, not putting words anywhere.

[Golf Houso]

A standard early model VN could get to a 100 in low 8's. A VL with just a little bit of work done to it will be quicker - as quick as a modded GTI if not faster. And anyway, if Perth is like NSW and Vic in terms of what cars p-platers drive, then a GTI and a turbo VL would be off limits anyway so it's irrelevant.

As for the other comments about how AWD is "bad" (invincibility) so if you had the choice of buying your child a car - you wouldn't get an AWD car because of what his/her perceived safety in the car would be? That's when your argument turns to blaming the car for killing rather than the driver.

Education is the key - send them to a defensive driving course so they can see the limits and what happens when you break them.

P.S. Just asking a question, not putting words anywhere.

Nothing stops speeding and showboating in young drivers more than having to drive an absolute slug of a car.