I actually hear this argument a lot.
This despite the fact that in reality, Australia is one of the most urbanised societies on the planet. Some high80s/low90s percentage of the population are city-slickers. Urbanites and sub-urbanites - who just pretend to themselves that any moment now, if they really wanted (but of course they don't because they couldnt get a proper soy decaf macchiato!) they could just leave it all and return to the bush and really be at home.
Not accusing you, HB, but I do get a chuckle because it reminds me all those people I currently listen to on trains or in the office, who's most strenuous daily activity is stapling. People who would forget to bring water, but certainly bring the hair gel!
Gawds, I am so ready to move (and yeah, I actually grew up in the country a looooong time ago, I haven't forgotten that steaks don't grow in the supermarket
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P.S. before you diss those "European vans" you need to spend some time on Eastern European roads (yes, still, despite EU)... or up in Scandinavia (you know where all the Euro car makers test their vehicles).
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