Should I buy the new Tiguan? Tiguan vs X1 vs Peugeot

[Cobwebs]

As much as I hate to say it tje CVT technology is superior to DCT/DSG. Ignore what manufacturers actually provide in their CVT vehicles, and a CVT will always be able to provide the max power from the engine at all speeds which you are travelling. With a gear, then the available power must change as your speed changes, which is why you have to change gears. The problem is that people are so used to the operation of manual and automatic gearboxes. A CVT which always provides max power 'doesn't sound right'. So the the manufacturer provides fixed fixed positions in the CVT to make it appear like a normal gearbox. If manufacturers let a CVT be a CVT rather than pretend to be a normal gearbox.

If the pug has a 'pretend' gearbox then I agree.

[tigger73]

The problem with running engines at fixed speeds is that they become annoying really, really quickly.

Yes it may be more efficient but unless you couple it with a heap of sound deadening then an engine running at a fixed speed is a fixed frequency noise generator. So I beleive that's the real reason auto manufacturers put in "faux" gears. The CVT transmissions still tend to drag the gears though to stay in the max torque band of the engine.

Still suggest taking each car for a decent test drive. If you can take each overnight and test with car seats, capsules, prams, etc.

One thing to be aware is that you need space between the front seat and the capsule so if there's not enough space the front seat will have to be pushed forwards. Tiguan has more rear seat room so should fit better but best to check by fitting the capsule in there given this is one of the main criteria for buying the car

[pocketpunch]

Another problem inherent to CVTs is that they cannot hold big torque - for long.

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[TheTig]

Another problem inherent to CVTs is that they cannot hold big torque - for long.

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Whilst we're bashing CVTs, have one in our other car, 2014 Nissan Pathfinder. Whilst it can be smooth at times, wouldn't buy another car with a CVT again, just doesn't feel right, put the foot down and the engine makes lots of noise and you don't feel you're going any faster, plus going around corners and roundabouts it goes out of shape and kind of skips/shudders, been into Nissan heaps of times but of course no change/improvement, we've just learnt to put up with it (not accelerate at those moments).

In comparison with the new Tig, there is no comparison, the DSG is MUCH better and so much more refined than the CVT I've experienced.

[Diesel_vert]

Doesn't the Pug have a CVT? The DSG box is so superior.

The Peugeot 3008 has a 6-speed torque converter automatic, made by Aisin AW of Japan (which is 30.45% owned by Toyota).

I'm personally fond of the ZF 8-speed in a BMW installation. Excellent hardware matched with brilliant software programming, which is crucial.

I'm still of the opinion that Volkswagen's software programming of their DSG can be further improved.

[pocketpunch]

Whilst we're bashing CVTs, have one in our other car, 2014 Nissan Pathfinder. Whilst it can be smooth at times, wouldn't buy another car with a CVT again, just doesn't feel right, put the foot down and the engine makes lots of noise and you don't feel you're going any faster, plus going around corners and roundabouts it goes out of shape and kind of skips/shudders, been into Nissan heaps of times but of course no change/improvement, we've just learnt to put up with it (not accelerate at those moments).

In comparison with the new Tig, there is no comparison, the DSG is MUCH better and so much more refined than the CVT I've experienced.

Gee and thats a fairly new car too.
You can't go past a dct gearbox, I mean as time goes further it'll all be replaced with electric anyway.
But there's s reason why F1 engineers stick to developing dct boxes and thats cause you get the power loss of a manual box (really efficient compared to classic auto) really fluid gear changes and is programmable to adapt.
Not to mention a properly operated dct should last as long as a regular manual box.
Its normally the people who launch and burn clutches at every set of lights who have issues.

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[Timbo]

The AT in the X1 is an Aisin. Not quite as smooth as the ZF8AT, but still pretty good. Change are rapid and responsive, whether in auto or shifting manually using paddle. Our DSG Golf suffers from some untimely delays and hesitations, by way of comparison. However, it is a pity the Aisin shifter in the BMW is not electronic (like the ZF8AT)...cheapens things a bit.

As to size, it depends on your needs. The last Tiggy was just too small (as is the Q3). But for me, VW over-corrected and made the new one just a tad too big...closer to the X3 & Q5, Treg and M-B GLC. It's a VW habit (other makers, too); the new Polo is pretty close to a Mk4 Golf, which is a pity, IMO

[Cobwebs]

Re F1, my understanding is that CVT was banned because they were too good - small, light, power. (just as the skirt was banned). But I would have to research this.

Edit: Research done.
Banned! Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) * F1 Fanatic

[Kachingg]

Going to throw one in from left field have you looked at the golf/passat alltrack wagons?

I am biased as i just received my golf alltrack last week its the 135tdi and wow what a car hugely torqued motor and the 7 speed dsg has to be driven to be believed so smooth i used the paddles to change from 7th to 5th on the freeway on weekend at 105kph and my 2 passengers did not notice when i pointed it out they were like did you drop 2 gears??? would not believe me till i did it again a few times

Seamless and smooth i come from a 6 speed dsg which had the usual jerks ect which you learn to live with but this box is amazing

Also the 9.2 inch discover pro is great the connectivity with phones is easy and seamless and i have fallen in love with the digital dash feels like i am in a limo or future car of some sort and dont forget the dynaudio system it is vry nice

Plus bigger boot way big boot vry vry comfy seats ect ect i am sure rooboy will chime in when his arrives in a week or 2

Give it a look price is comparable to the tig and i bet you could find a diesel (don't bother with the petrol)

I love the way it drives vry smooth(with a great growl and big push in the back from 3500 to 4200)

[panz]

Going to throw one in from left field have you looked at the golf/passat alltrack wagons?

Yes I have I do like the passat wagons, but we;ve decided we wanted an SUV as it's easier on the back to get the baby in and out.

And Thanks to the rest of the guys who have provided your inputs! don't get me wrong, I like VW Tiguans and it's still on the top of my list. I may need to check out the non R-Line Highline model in indium grey as someone suggested and see if it looks less two tone.