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[doc_777]

If the volume of the pistons/slave cylinders is greater on the new calipers than the volume on the old calipers then yes - you will get increase pedal travel - that is just science doing its thing. If the difference is truly minor, then that additional pedal travel shouldn’t affect everyday use. If the pedal hits the floor however, the you’re crap outta luck.

[Razor80]

Yes i'm after a better bite as i'm sure the bite from the from 6's up front would be a lot sharper. Thought this may solve some braking issues in the wet maybe? Just don't want pads that'll chew the OEM rotors in no time.

Could I ask where you purchased all your goods from locally (PM me if it's a secret)?
The ETA for the hats and brackets are 4-6 weeks to be custom made (overseas I'm assuming) but could run into delays and ultimately delay things. Only issue they seem to have some negative reviews with their delivery times etc that concerns me, especially payment in full!

Your red calliper's in your thread looks real nice on a black car. Not sure what would suit mine, silver/grey or black?

[Razor80]

If the volume of the pistons/slave cylinders is greater on the new calipers than the volume on the old calipers then yes - you will get increase pedal travel - that is just science doing its thing. If the difference is truly minor, then that additional pedal travel shouldn’t affect everyday use. If the pedal hits the floor however, the you’re crap outta luck.

Brakesdirect are reassuring that this kit is well suited to be fitted to OEM setup with no major issues. Also to be used with the standard rubber lines as there is some misconception between them and braided hoses. Advises my car is not 20 years old technology.

Would you suggest using there 4 pot version with the 355mm rotors over the 6 pot's?

[Razor80]

I've listed what I'm going to do to my car in the big Turbo thread if you want to take a look.
Quite similar to yours with a few extras.

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Pretty impressive mate, would be interesting to see what figures we both get on the dyno's.

I am also upgrading my brakes, got to secure my investment and to be able to stop!

[Beedub]

Thanks. It's been frustrating to find that not everything for the Golf fits the Tig, mainly because I wanted to go all Racingline, but first world problems and all that.

I've picked the parts myself after seeing what others on here have done, and I have been in touch with a tuner but only briefly.
Just waiting for everything to arrive now.
The turbo and downpipe shipped yesterday and the racingline gear shouldn't be too far off either.
Now to smuggle them all without the wife noticing.

No idea when I'll book it in yet. With a newborn just arrived I'm not making things easy, especially considering the tuner said they'd need 3 days with the car.
I'm a dead man walking haha.

I'm also thinking brakes may need an upgrade and as usual tigger is making me jealous with his recent purchase.
I'll shelve that for now.
Swapping out the muffler for a Golf R is also on the cards at some point. Who knows, maybe a proper Tig R will launch and make that an easier job.

Good luck with your Tig!

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[doc_777]

Brakesdirect are reassuring that this kit is well suited to be fitted to OEM setup with no major issues. Also to be used with the standard rubber lines as there is some misconception between them and braided hoses. Advises my car is not 20 years old technology.

Would you suggest using there 4 pot version with the 355mm rotors over the 6 pot's?

mate, i’ll be completely up-front and say I know next to nothing about the ACTUAL upgrade on a current VW - @tigger73 is neck deep in this stuff currently so if I were you i’d listen carefully to his experiences and feedback.

what I would say however is this - number of pistons is not a reliable indicator of performance. My opinion only - a street car should not need more than a 4 piston caliper if it’s correctly matched to the rest of the braking system. You get the best combination of package size, weight etc.

with all due respect to the supplier you are dealing with, whether your vehicle is 20 years old or 2 months old is irrelevant - the most important part of the upgrade you are considering is whether your current master cylinder will push sufficient fluid volume relative to the volume of the replacement calipers. I don’t pretend to be an expert in such things, I just know how wrong it can all go. If he’s telling you (and importantly, users like tigger who are actually undertaking this process) that the master cylinder is up to the task - i’ve got no reason to question it.

[tigger73]

Yes i'm after a better bite as i'm sure the bite from the from 6's up front would be a lot sharper. Thought this may solve some braking issues in the wet maybe? Just don't want pads that'll chew the OEM rotors in no time.

Could I ask where you purchased all your goods from locally (PM me if it's a secret)?
The ETA for the hats and brackets are 4-6 weeks to be custom made (overseas I'm assuming) but could run into delays and ultimately delay things. Only issue they seem to have some negative reviews with their delivery times etc that concerns me, especially payment in full!

Your red calliper's in your thread looks real nice on a black car. Not sure what would suit mine, silver/grey or black?

You'll get better bite just from upgrading the pads to something with a higher friction coefficient. I personally found the stock pads to be a bit too "progressive" an you really had to stand on the brakes to get a decent level of braking.

Pads is also the cheapest route and I think you would solve 90% of your complaints with a decent performance street pad.

6 pot brakes are probably a bit of an over-kill, though they pull you up pretty well. You then have to worry about the person behind you not being able to brake so well and rear ending you.

I purchased all the brakes through my local workshop who I believe got them from Brakes Direct. Calipers had to come in from overseas but I think they had pretty much everything else in stock. Not sure about the brackets.

I would want payment in full also if I was custom ordering parts that may be difficult to resell. That's actually how I picked up this brake set-up. The workshop had ordered them in for a customer and got them painted up only for the customer not to pay for them. I ended up getting them for a good price but may not have chosen to go red (probably would have picked yellow) but not going to repaint them now.

[tigger73]

mate, i’ll be completely up-front and say I know next to nothing about the ACTUAL upgrade on a current VW - @tigger73 is neck deep in this stuff currently so if I were you i’d listen carefully to his experiences and feedback.

what I would say however is this - number of pistons is not a reliable indicator of performance. My opinion only - a street car should not need more than a 4 piston caliper if it’s correctly matched to the rest of the braking system. You get the best combination of package size, weight etc.

with all due respect to the supplier you are dealing with, whether your vehicle is 20 years old or 2 months old is irrelevant - the most important part of the upgrade you are considering is whether your current master cylinder will push sufficient fluid volume relative to the volume of the replacement calipers. I don’t pretend to be an expert in such things, I just know how wrong it can all go. If he’s telling you (and importantly, users like tigger who are actually undertaking this process) that the master cylinder is up to the task - i’ve got no reason to question it.

I agree that going to a a 4 pot set-up with some good pads would be more than sufficient for everyday road use.

After a bit more driving (since picking up yesterday) the pads are beginning to bite a bit better and take-up point is almost back to "normal". There may be a fraction bit more pedal travel but that is compensated for by how these things haul you up. Seriously you have to be concerned about people tailgating you as if you jump on these they'll have no chance of pulling up without taking out your rear bumper.

I know there's a few more people with Golf R's with 6 pot set-ups and Tig has the same BMC so I wouldn't be too concerned about it not being up to the task. Probably more a question of whether they are a necessary upgrade. If you were tracking/tarmac rally then I'd say they'd be worth it. But I'd say start with some performance street pads first before spending a decent chunk of change on a BBK.

[tigger73]

Pics of said brakes for reference:

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[Razor80]

Thanks guys, I do appreciate all your advise and I understand what your talking about. I actually had my concerns going with the 6 pots and I can honestly say that these were recommended to me by them for street/track. I think he was trying to upsale me something that was an overkill!

I've only ever used 6 pots (Willwood) on an old modified Ford Escort MK2 RS2000 back in the UK (many moons ago) and had to have the pedal box modified with individual bias brake cylinders for front and rears rotors + dual clutch setup. The OEM setup was for 2 pot front & drums rear. These new mechanics has greatly changed since then with greater efficiency and better feel but I was still unsure if it'll work.

Anyway I am now leaning towards the 4 pot setup as I believe it's more what I was originally thinking of using. Which is daily street/freeway but would like to run it on a track day or up the strip, time permitting and when the wife will allow. Anyway just for fun and a rush...

I know just upgrading the pads would save a great deal $$$$ but I'm after that extra bite, responsiveness nature, weight reduction and a better appearance through the wheels. Not to mention it being something different to every other Tig around... Down the track I may seek more power, engine strengthened etc who knows...

Anyway my question - What are the original calipers on the Tiguan/Golf R's?
After much googling, I can't find much information if they are 1 large piston or 2 piston for fronts, rear is 1 piston I think judging by images? I think the rotor size Front 340x32 & Rear 312x12?

I am thinking of either of these - Racingline Performance Monoblock Brake Upgrade - MK7 R/GTI, S3, VRS - Harding Performance or CAR98COM/VE355MM | Alcon CAR98 Caliper Brake Kit what's your thoughts?