MY17/MQB Platform Tiguan Discussion Thread

[tigger73]

Where are these figures coming from? I'm sceptical the 132 TSI can jump straight to 235kw with Stage 1 ECU Upgrade? It's even a big increase for 162 TSI.

Both APR and REVO claim around the same for their MK7 GTI stage 1 and stage 2 tunes based on 98 RON fuel.

I'm not making up numbers - check the websites for yourselves:

Revotechnik Stage 1 V, Golf VII, 2.0 TSI

APR 2.0 TSI/TFSI Gen3 ECU Upgrade for the MQB Platform

The major difference between the Mk6 GTI and the Mk7 GTI (in terms of tunability/power output) is the turbo that is used. The Mk7 can make a lot more power. The problem with the Mk7 GTI is getting the power to the ground without spinning the front wheels. Ultimately with a FWD car you're limited to the amount of power you can put to the ground. Hence why starting with an AWD platform is a real advantage.

[stark27]

How long is it going to take VW to update the AU website??

[tigger73]

I did post a link to the new brochure. If you go on and "register your interest" for the New Tiguan then you'll get the brochure to download.

If you don't want to register then just use the link I posted: New Tiguan Flyer Online

[Sharkie]

I'm not sure how much you can really trust the US APR site (not sure why they got rid of the AU site) as their claimed "Stock" BHP for the EA888 does not match the AU figures. But Mike Webber at Prestige & Performance quoted me the same figures 235kw / 516Nm which is HUGE. $1430 installed

Real figures probably around 210kw/500nm with stage 1 only. Stage 2 will get you to about 220kw.

Basing this on having been an APR customer for many years and having worked closely with the now defunct APR AU on 2 of my own cars as their AU test beds.

APR was only making 215kw on a identically engined Mk7 Golf GTI so any more is unlikely on the Tig. Still a lot of power for a small SUV ......

And yes, the 132 and 162 are mechanically identical and deliver the same when tuned. My gen 1 Tig 125TSI made 190kw stg1 which is exactly what the last 155TSi is making. It was also the APR Stg2 test mule and made 200 kW with a downpipe and intake.

Bear in mind that other tuners are out there as well, so have a look at Guy (formerly APR AU)'s OEM+ software which complements the VWR hardware he's been selling for years.

[Sharkie]

Also, I'm not getting into the new TIg early as I am not getting caught (again) in the price gouging that the manufacturers get into early in a new models life. Corporate pricing unlikely to be fully available for at least 6months ....

I'll wait a while and see what happens ... Wife is really keen on the rumoured 7 seat Tig, might get her a new Polo GTI to drive for a year or 2 while we wait 😬

[Bassik]

APR are rather expensive but seriously no ones worried about warranty if they went ahead and bought a new Tig and dumped a tune in it. What piggy back options are there. That's my preference.


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[stark27]

Bear in mind that other tuners are out there as well, so have a look at Guy (formerly APR AU)'s OEM+ software which complements the VWR hardware he's been selling for years.

What's Guy's website? Who are some of the other tuners?

[stark27]

Also, I'm not getting into the new TIg early as I am not getting caught (again) in the price gouging that the manufacturers get into early in a new models life. Corporate pricing unlikely to be fully available for at least 6months ....

I'll wait a while and see what happens ... Wife is really keen on the rumoured 7 seat Tig, might get her a new Polo GTI to drive for a year or 2 while we wait ��

I'll be waiting until at least January by the sounds of it for the 162 TSI Highline.

[tigger73]

Real figures probably around 210kw/500nm with stage 1 only. Stage 2 will get you to about 220kw.

Basing this on having been an APR customer for many years and having worked closely with the now defunct APR AU on 2 of my own cars as their AU test beds.

APR was only making 215kw on a identically engined Mk7 Golf GTI so any more is unlikely on the Tig. Still a lot of power for a small SUV ......

And yes, the 132 and 162 are mechanically identical and deliver the same when tuned. My gen 1 Tig 125TSI made 190kw stg1 which is exactly what the last 155TSi is making. It was also the APR Stg2 test mule and made 200 kW with a downpipe and intake.

Bear in mind that other tuners are out there as well, so have a look at Guy (formerly APR AU)'s OEM+ software which complements the VWR hardware he's been selling for years.

I know APR Oz when they were running locally used to use a hub dyno and quoted hub figures and not flywheel numbers.

I'm guessing the APR US and Revo numbers are quoting flywheel numbers. I'm not sure how they're doing that if the engine is still in the car - other than using some calculation for drive-line losses.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter as long as you're comparing stock to tuned values using the same measurement method. Unfortunately not everyone posts up their test methods and any calculations/assumptions that they have made to generate the figure they have come up with.

One thing is for certain is there are some very decent gains to be had from a stage 1 or 2 tune. The other thing for certain is that whenever people start quoting power figures there's always going to be people that question it

[stark27]

APR are rather expensive but seriously no ones worried about warranty if they went ahead and bought a new Tig and dumped a tune in it. What piggy back options are there. That's my preference.


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Speak for yourself! The thing i like about the APR mod was that it was undetectable if you switched back to stock mode before services.