Electric seat dead after battery test

**Bezzey** · 27-05-2023, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by MIG

You can connect directly to the module; my first bench setup was a cheap OBD female connector and hooked up the following pinout.

4, 5 = Gnd
16 = Bat+
6 = CAN H
14 = CAN L

You can tell the CAN wires are coloured (orange with a colour band = CAN H) (orange with a brown band = CAN L)

I have successfully connected directly to the seat module using this female OBD connector:
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07F16HC12?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

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This is probably well known be experienced members here, but I had to select the seat module directly under Select Control Module.

This is my initial scan:

Code:

Friday,26,May,2023,21:27:33:45971

Code:

VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 22.9.0.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4623.4
Data version: 20220830 DS341.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

VIN: WVGZZZ5NZKW833436   License Plate:

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                Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr
Control Module Part Number: 5Q0 959 760 C
  Component and/or Version: Sitzmemory    H09 0024
           Software Coding: 001400020000050001C280808180000000008181000000F400
            Work Shop Code: WSC 12345
                      VCID: 3D273DAAADFA97D3CC5-8068


Advanced Identification/FAZIT
     Serial number: Y0006RJJ39570
     Identification: KO1-ABY
     Date: 19.10.18
     Manufacturer number: 3201
     Test stand number: 9570
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 0/0
     Programming Attempts(data): 1
     Successful Attempts(data): 1
     Flash Date: 00.01.01
     Flash Tool Code(data): 40022 666 40022
Misc.
     Hardware number: 5Q0 959 760 C
     Workshop System Name: J810
     Equipment/PR Code: 000000000000000000000000
     Dataset Number: -----------
     Dataset Version: ----
     ASAM Dataset: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide
     ASAM Dataset Revision: 002022
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 3D273DAAADFA97D3CC5-8068
       Labels: NONE
       ROD: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide.rod

Under Basic Settings, there are 3 options:

IDE02325-MAS00675-Reset to factory setting
IDE02854-MAS00675-Reset standardization
MAS05563-MAS00675-Norming

I am reluctant to perform reset to factory settings as I've read other people having headaches when doing this.

I have performed IDE02854-MAS00675-Reset standardization on all seat motors successfully.

When I first tried MAS05563-MAS00675-Norming, I got the following error: ERROR: Vehicle speed too high. This was easily fixed by going to Adaptations and changing ENG123066-vehicle_velocity_monitoring from active to not active. Now when I try Norming, I get the following error: ERROR: Conditions not correct or request sequence error.

When I go into Output Tests and try each option to manually operate the motors, I get the following errors:

Electric seat dead after battery test-refusedbycontrolmodule_all-jpg

**Bezzey** · 27-05-2023, 12:58 AM

These are the faults that persist:

Code:

 Saturday,27,May,2023,00:49:32:45971

Code:

VCDS Version: Release 23.3.1 (x64) Running on Windows 10 x64
www.Ross-Tech.com

               Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr       Labels: NONE
Control Module Part Number: 5Q0 959 760 C    HW: 5Q0 959 760 C
 Component and/or Version: Sitzmemory    H09 0024
          Software Coding: 001400020000050001C280808180000000008181000000F400
           Work Shop Code: WSC 12345 123 61029
             ASAM Dataset: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide 002022 (VW37)
                      ROD: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide.rod
                     VCID: 3D273DAAADFA97D224D-8068
7 Faults Found:


9655636 - Motor for Seat Fore/Aft Adjustment
         B1355 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
         Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
            Freeze Frame:
                   Fault Status: 00000001
                   Fault Priority: 4
                   Fault Frequency: 1
                   Reset counter: 81
                   Date: 2000.00.00
                   Time: 00:00:00


9655892 - Motor for Seat Backrest Adjustment
         B1356 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
         Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
            Freeze Frame:
                   Fault Status: 00000001
                   Fault Priority: 4
                   Fault Frequency: 1
                   Reset counter: 81
                   Date: 2000.00.00
                   Time: 00:00:00


9655380 - Motor for seat height adjustment
         B1354 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
         Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
            Freeze Frame:
                   Fault Status: 00000001
                   Fault Priority: 4
                   Fault Frequency: 1
                   Reset counter: 81
                   Date: 2000.00.00
                   Time: 00:00:00


9655124 - Motor for Seat Tilt Adjustment
         B1353 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
         Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
            Freeze Frame:
                   Fault Status: 00000001
                   Fault Priority: 4
                   Fault Frequency: 1
                   Reset counter: 81
                   Date: 2000.00.00
                   Time: 00:00:00


9654868 - Motor for Lumbar Support Fore/Aft Adjustment
         B1352 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
         Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
            Freeze Frame:
                   Fault Status: 00000001
                   Fault Priority: 4
                   Fault Frequency: 1
                   Reset counter: 81
                   Date: 2000.00.00
                   Time: 00:00:00


9654612 - Motor for Lumbar Support Height Adjustment
         B1351 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
         Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
            Freeze Frame:
                   Fault Status: 00000001
                   Fault Priority: 4
                   Fault Frequency: 1
                   Reset counter: 81
                   Date: 2000.00.00
                   Time: 00:00:00


10489856 - No Basic Setting
         B2010 00 [009] - -
         [keine oder falsche Grundeinstellung/Adaption]
         Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
            Freeze Frame:
                   Fault Status: 00000001
                   Fault Priority: 7
                   Fault Frequency: 1
                   Reset counter: 81
                   Date: 2000.00.00
                   Time: 00:00:00

**MIG** · 27-05-2023, 03:07 PM

I should have mentioned you needed to select the module when you don't have a gateway in the mix.

Check the advance measuring values; my guess is the seat is missing a signal it wants from the rest of the car before enabling the motors, just like you had with the speed too high warning.

At least you know the controller is good.

**Bezzey** · 27-05-2023, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by MIG

I should have mentioned you needed to select the module when you don't have a gateway in the mix.

Check the advance measuring values; my guess is the seat is missing a signal it wants from the rest of the car before enabling the motors, just like you had with the speed too high warning.

At least you know the controller is good.

I purchased another set of seats yesterday from another wreckers, both full electric with memory and the R-Line emblem.

From here on, I will refer to them as:

Seat 1: The seat I have working with so far. From Tiguan 1. Appears to be the same as R-Line just no emblem or white stitching. Full electric with memory buttons.

Seat 2: The drivers seat from Tiguan 2. R-Line emblem, white stitching full electric with memory buttons.

Seat 3: The passenger seat from Tiguan 2. R-Line emblem, white stitching full electric with memory buttons.

I have compared the advanced measuring values between Seat 1, Seat 2 & Seat 3. The only difference in advanced measuring values I have found is this:

Seat 1:

IDE01457 Energy management deactivation stage Deactivation stage 3

Seat 2:

IDE01457 Energy management deactivation stage Deactivation stage 0

Seat 3:

IDE01457 Energy management deactivation stage Deactivation stage 0

Seat 1 is still not operational with the following faults:

9655636 - Motor for Seat Fore/Aft Adjustment B1355 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 81
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00

9655892 - Motor for Seat Backrest Adjustment
B1356 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 81
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00

9655380 - Motor for seat height adjustment
B1354 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 81
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00

9655124 - Motor for Seat Tilt Adjustment
B1353 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 81
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00

9654868 - Motor for Lumbar Support Fore/Aft Adjustment
B1352 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 81
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00

9654612 - Motor for Lumbar Support Height Adjustment
B1351 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 81
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00

10489856 - No Basic Setting
B2010 00 [009] - -
[keine oder falsche Grundeinstellung/Adaption]
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 81
Date: 2000.00.00 Time: 00:00:00

Seat 2 is operational with the following faults:

9655636 - Motor for Seat Fore/Aft Adjustment B1355 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 228
Mileage: 68276 km
Date: 2023.03.04
Time: 15:26:26

10489856 - No Basic Setting
B2010 00 [009] - -
[keine oder falsche Grundeinstellung/Adaption]
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 228
Mileage: 68276 km
Date: 2023.03.04
Time: 15:26:26

Seat 3 I have not operated any of the buttons yet. No faults present.

Edit: I have operated Seat 3 (except for the memory buttons) and still no fault codes. I have noticed an extra option under Basic Settings that is not on Seat 1 & Seat 2:

IDE02404-MAS00675-Checksum calculation

**Bezzey** · 27-05-2023, 09:30 PM

No wonder I am getting faults still...the module has, for some reason decided that the maximum and minimum travel values are the same. Not to mentioned the supposed current position of all the motors is exactly the same down to 1 step accuracy and outside the max/min range.

Any idea on how to correct this? I've tried numerous attempts of IDE02854-MAS00675-Reset standardization & MAS05563-MAS00675-Norming. Reset standardization passes instantly and Norming comes back with the following error: ERROR: Conditions not correct or request sequence error.

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**cameleon72** · 27-05-2023, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bezzey

No wonder I am getting faults still...the module has, for some reason decided that the maximum and minimum travel values are the same. Not to mentioned the supposed current position of all the motors is exactly the same down to 1 step accuracy and outside the max/min range.

Any idea on how to correct this? I've tried numerous attempts of IDE02854-MAS00675-Reset standardization & MAS05563-MAS00675-Norming. Reset standardization passes instantly and Norming comes back with the following error: ERROR: Conditions not correct or request sequence error.

I didn't realize that you upgrading original Tiguan seat to Different car.
Unfortunately your problem is not with wiring even if you connect all correct wires, you will still have problem . That seat is programmed to Specific VIN in Tiguan, as soon you connect to different Car VIN ( it read from car Gateway Vin than compare VIn stored in Seat control module) , it stop working. You need VW dealer or someone with original VW tool to program and flash module to suit your new VIN and car model.

**cameleon72** · 27-05-2023, 11:38 PM

What exactly model is your Amarok ? Year made?

If you are in Sydney , i would be maybe able to help , however you are in VIC.

**Bezzey** · 28-05-2023, 12:49 AM

@cameleon72 I am planning to simply wire up power and air bag only to my Amarok as like you said I will run into issues with different components. There's not really any good reason to wire it up to my Amarok other than power and airbag, as the seat can operate independently I believe. I have been bench testing successfully except for memory buttons.

See page 1 for my Amarok info in the auto scan.